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Hello CivicAccess,
The website ibelieveinopen.ca that I mentioned earlier this week is now live. The site collects sigunups from citizens and pledges from political candidates on five issues related to government transparency. We're still working on tweaking the look/feel and adding more pages to display the results, but the basic signup mechanism is working and ready for use. Pledges 4 and 5 are about open access to government data, so should be specifically of interest to this group. I'll be sending out emails to MP candidates early next week -- it would be great to have a 'seed group' of citizen signups before then. If this is an issue you feel strongly about, please show your support. http://ibelieveinopen.ca Jennifer Bell visiblegovernment.ca __________________________________________________________________ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca |
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Hi Jennifer,
I signed up. A few thoughts: -The home page looks a bit bare. Even with candidate and party pledges, most of that page may best be used to convert visitors. -The flow is a bit confusing (I confirmed my email address before the riding, which doesn't help). It would be neat to know what happens now - does my MP get contacted? Do I hear back? -A call to action could be effective at the last stage, e.g. asking people to tell their friends. -Would you use infringing postal code => riding data? If the project is accessible I can likely make changes - is this on git / github? Cheers, d. On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Jennifer Bell <[hidden email]> wrote: > Hello CivicAccess, > > The website ibelieveinopen.ca that I mentioned earlier this week is now live. The site collects sigunups from citizens and pledges from political candidates on five issues related to government transparency. We're still working on tweaking the look/feel and adding more pages to display the results, but the basic signup mechanism is working and ready for use. > > Pledges 4 and 5 are about open access to government data, so should be specifically of interest to this group. I'll be sending out emails to MP candidates early next week -- it would be great to have a 'seed group' of citizen signups before then. > > If this is an issue you feel strongly about, please show your support. > > http://ibelieveinopen.ca > > Jennifer Bell > visiblegovernment.ca > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > |
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In reply to this post by Jennifer Bell
Le Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:35:35 -0700 (PDT),
Jennifer Bell <[hidden email]> a écrit : > The website ibelieveinopen.ca that I mentioned earlier this week is now live. The site collects sigunups from citizens and pledges from political candidates on five issues related to government transparency. We're still working on tweaking the look/feel and adding more pages to display the results, but the basic signup mechanism is working and ready for use. > > Pledges 4 and 5 are about open access to government data, so should be specifically of interest to this group. I'll be sending out emails to MP candidates early next week -- it would be great to have a 'seed group' of citizen signups before then. I signed, I thought it was very simple and to the point. Daniel had a bunch of excellent points I won't repeat. I notice (perhaps it's a timezone issue) 5 Québécois already signed. Are you planning to offer the site in french? It would surely help me promote it inside and mostly outside Montreal. Are you using http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=ele&document=index&dir=40ge/can&lang=e&textonly=false for your list of candidates? And regarding postal codes and ridings, can you make that available right now as a web service, or are you going to release the data after the elections, or maybe even during? > If this is an issue you feel strongly about, please show your support. > > http://ibelieveinopen.ca Yes I do! P.S.: it would be great if your site was an Open Network Service as defined here: http://opendefinition.org/osd -- Robin Millette http://rym.waglo.com/ |
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Thanks to the people that signed up so far, and thanks for your excellent feedback. It's been pretty rushed getting the site up, so not everything got on the site that's on the roadmap. (We're following a 'release early, release often' principle.) See inserted. Jennifer --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Show your support for open gov. data at ibelieveinopen.ca > To: [hidden email], "civicaccess discuss" <[hidden email]> > Received: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 10:20 PM > Hi Jennifer, > > I signed up. A few thoughts: > > -The home page looks a bit bare. Even with candidate and > party > pledges, most of that page may best be used to convert > visitors. Working on it. > -The flow is a bit confusing (I confirmed my email address > before the > riding, which doesn't help). It would be neat to know > what happens now > - does my MP get contacted? Do I hear back? Good point. Will fix. > -A call to action could be effective at the last stage, > e.g. asking > people to tell their friends. Good point. Will add. > -Would you use infringing postal code => riding data? I'm not sure what this is. Perhaps I should find out.... > If the project is accessible I can likely make changes - is > this on > git / github? The people I got the original code base from were very trusting and sent me an early version of their site that was filled with private data, passwords, etc. -- with the understanding that I wouldn't be sharing it widely. I'd like to show them the modified package first, before posting it publicly, so that they can feel confident that there's none of their footprint left. This is only a short term inconvenience -- really, VisibleGovernment.ca is *about* open source software. Thanks for the offer of helping with the code! I see we're in the same riding... very convenient. I'll send you a message offline so that we can chat. Jennifer __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ |
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Thanks to the people that signed up so far, and thanks for your excellent feedback. It's been pretty rushed getting the site up, so not everything got on the site that's on the roadmap. (We're following a 'release early, release often' principle.) See inserted. Jennifer --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Show your support for open gov. data at ibelieveinopen.ca > To: [hidden email], "civicaccess discuss" <[hidden email]> > Received: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 10:20 PM > Hi Jennifer, > > I signed up. A few thoughts: > > -The home page looks a bit bare. Even with candidate and > party > pledges, most of that page may best be used to convert > visitors. Working on it. > -The flow is a bit confusing (I confirmed my email address > before the > riding, which doesn't help). It would be neat to know > what happens now > - does my MP get contacted? Do I hear back? Good point. Will fix. > -A call to action could be effective at the last stage, > e.g. asking > people to tell their friends. Good point. Will add. > -Would you use infringing postal code => riding data? I'm not sure what this is. Perhaps I should find out.... > If the project is accessible I can likely make changes - is > this on > git / github? The people I got the original code base from were very trusting and sent me an early version of their site that was filled with private data, passwords, etc. -- with the understanding that I wouldn't be sharing it widely. I'd like to show them the modified package first, before posting it publicly, so that they can feel confident that there's none of their footprint left. This is only a short term inconvenience -- really, VisibleGovernment.ca is *about* open source software. Thanks for the offer of helping with the code, Daniel! I see we're in the same riding... very convenient. I'll send you a message offline so that we can chat. Jennifer --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Show your support for open gov. data at ibelieveinopen.ca > To: [hidden email], "civicaccess discuss" <[hidden email]> > Received: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 10:20 PM > Hi Jennifer, > > I signed up. A few thoughts: > > -The home page looks a bit bare. Even with candidate and > party > pledges, most of that page may best be used to convert > visitors. > -The flow is a bit confusing (I confirmed my email address > before the > riding, which doesn't help). It would be neat to know > what happens now > - does my MP get contacted? Do I hear back? > -A call to action could be effective at the last stage, > e.g. asking > people to tell their friends. > -Would you use infringing postal code => riding data? > > If the project is accessible I can likely make changes - is > this on > git / github? > > Cheers, > > d. > > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Jennifer Bell > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > Hello CivicAccess, > > > > The website ibelieveinopen.ca that I mentioned earlier > this week is now live. The site collects sigunups from > citizens and pledges from political candidates on five > issues related to government transparency. We're still > working on tweaking the look/feel and adding more pages to > display the results, but the basic signup mechanism is > working and ready for use. > > > > Pledges 4 and 5 are about open access to government > data, so should be specifically of interest to this group. > I'll be sending out emails to MP candidates early next > week -- it would be great to have a 'seed group' of > citizen signups before then. > > > > If this is an issue you feel strongly about, please > show your support. > > > > http://ibelieveinopen.ca > > > > Jennifer Bell > > visiblegovernment.ca > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > > Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at > giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. > Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or > register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > _______________________________________________ > > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ |
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Thanks for your comments, see inserted. --- On Sat, 9/20/08, Robin Millette <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Robin Millette <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Show your support for open gov. data at ibelieveinopen.ca > To: "civicaccess discuss" <[hidden email]> > Received: Saturday, September 20, 2008, 11:35 PM > Le Sat, 20 Sep 2008 18:35:35 -0700 (PDT), > Jennifer Bell <[hidden email]> a écrit : > > > The website ibelieveinopen.ca that I mentioned earlier > this week is now live. The site collects sigunups from > citizens and pledges from political candidates on five > issues related to government transparency. We're still > working on tweaking the look/feel and adding more pages to > display the results, but the basic signup mechanism is > working and ready for use. > > > > Pledges 4 and 5 are about open access to government > data, so should be specifically of interest to this group. > I'll be sending out emails to MP candidates early next > week -- it would be great to have a 'seed group' of > citizen signups before then. > > I signed, I thought it was very simple and to the point. > Daniel had a bunch of excellent points I won't repeat. I > notice (perhaps it's a timezone issue) 5 Québécois > already signed. Are you planning to offer the site in > french? It would surely help me promote it inside and mostly > outside Montreal. Yes, there will be a French option -- however language selection / internationalization wasn't part of the free code base I received (natch). In the very short term, I'll be putting up a language change link that will ask for volunteers to help with translation. > Are you using > http://www.elections.ca/content.asp?section=ele&document=index&dir=40ge/can&lang=e&textonly=false > for your list of candidates? No. I've been using data from the party websites. At the time I was gathering the candidate names that list wasn't available. I'll double check my list with that one. > And regarding postal codes and ridings, can you make that > available right now as a web service, or are you going to > release the data after the elections, or maybe even during? That's the plan. However, I'm going to focus on UI improvements first. > > If this is an issue you feel strongly about, please > show your support. > > > > http://ibelieveinopen.ca > > Yes I do! > > P.S.: it would be great if your site was an Open Network > Service as > defined here: > http://opendefinition.org/osd Yes, it will be. Again, thanks for your comments. Jennifer __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ |
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Aaron Swartz announced a new initiative, "Guerilla Open Access", on his
blog this week-end : http://guerillaopenaccess.com/ -- Catherine Roy http://www.catherine-roy.net |
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That's an exciting one! ooooooooo!
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM, zara <[hidden email]> wrote: Aaron Swartz announced a new initiative, "Guerilla Open Access", on his -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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In that spirit, can anyone point me to a list of Canadian postal
codes? It would come in handy when scraping, and avoid my having to shell out money for things I'll be infringing anyways :) On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:13 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: > That's an exciting one! ooooooooo! > > On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:49 PM, zara <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Aaron Swartz announced a new initiative, "Guerilla Open Access", on his >> blog this week-end : >> >> http://guerillaopenaccess.com/ >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Catherine Roy >> http://www.catherine-roy.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > -- > Tracey P. Lauriault > 613-234-2805 > https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > |
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Le Mon, 22 Sep 2008 18:27:07 -0400,
"Daniel Haran" <[hidden email]> a écrit : > In that spirit, can anyone point me to a list of Canadian postal > codes? It would come in handy when scraping, and avoid my having to > shell out money for things I'll be infringing anyways :) Last year I scrapped http://www.postalcodedownload.com/G0M/1E0/index.html for my DSL Map project. A bit more info in the presentation: http://rym.waglo.com/presentations/map-dsl-facil-2007.html I am willing to share my awful DB of Quebec data, at least. -- Robin Millette http://rym.waglo.com/ |
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I posted this before but I learned that Canadian postal codes don't work the same way they do in the States.
Nevertheless, Geonames might contain something that would be of some assistance: http://www.geonames.org/ On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 6:27 PM, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote: In that spirit, can anyone point me to a list of Canadian postal -- Christopher D. Ritter User Experience Designer [hidden email] Visit Critteropolis Today! critteropolis.myminicity.com |
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Christopher D. Ritter
<[hidden email]> wrote: > I posted this before but I learned that Canadian postal codes don't work the > same way they do in the States. > > Nevertheless, Geonames might contain something that would be of some > assistance: > > http://www.geonames.org/ Sadly, "We are sorry the page you requested does not exist. " is the message you get when clicking on Canada from: http://www.geonames.org/postal-codes/ So I'm infringing that database as we speak; if all goes well I'll have the full database of Canadian postal codes by the end of the day for anyone that wants a copy. Next up: EDIDs. About that, does anyone have any current postal codes for which there is more than one EDID? :) d. |
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Daniel Haran wrote:
> Next up: EDIDs. About that, does anyone have any current postal codes > for which there is more than one EDID? I posted sample postal codes of that type as comments to http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/1607 They are quite useful for testing any lookup tool, given you need to handle getting a results of from 0 EDID's (IE: invalid postal code, or old database) up to 6. The two that return 2 postal codes that return 6 are both in the comments. Please: If you are scraping and infringing, don't do it silently as that can only harm us in the long term. Do it a publicly as you can as a form of civil disobedience and tell your candidates as well as the party leaders and past ministers/critics that you are doing it, and why you believe this database must be legally liberated! -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://www.digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/ "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" |
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Re: scraping and infringing and telling everyone - please note that
OA advocates in the U.S. are battling a concerted effort by the anti- OA publishing lobby to basically change U.S. copyright law to prevent public access mandates to federally funded research. The Conyers bill is nuts, but could easily get slipped into another bill and passed. This is not a great time to be public about infringing; this would help the opposition. Not that I'm against this approach altogether, just not the best timing. best, Heather Morrison On 23-Sep-08, at 10:52 AM, Russell McOrmond wrote: > Daniel Haran wrote: >> Next up: EDIDs. About that, does anyone have any current postal codes >> for which there is more than one EDID? > > I posted sample postal codes of that type as comments to > > http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/1607 > > They are quite useful for testing any lookup tool, given you need > to handle getting a results of from 0 EDID's (IE: invalid postal > code, or old database) up to 6. > > The two that return 2 postal codes that return 6 are both in the > comments. > > > Please: If you are scraping and infringing, don't do it silently as > that can only harm us in the long term. Do it a publicly as you > can as a form of civil disobedience and tell your candidates as > well as the party leaders and past ministers/critics that you are > doing it, and why you believe this database must be legally liberated! > > -- > Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> > Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property > rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! > http://www.digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/ > > "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware > manufacturers, can pry my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or > portable media player from my cold dead hands!" > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 1:52 PM, Russell McOrmond <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Daniel Haran wrote: >> >> Next up: EDIDs. About that, does anyone have any current postal codes >> for which there is more than one EDID? > > I posted sample postal codes of that type as comments to > > http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/1607 > > They are quite useful for testing any lookup tool, given you need to handle > getting a results of from 0 EDID's (IE: invalid postal code, or old > database) up to 6. > > The two that return 2 postal codes that return 6 are both in the comments. Those seem to only return 1 EDID in my recent tests :O > Please: If you are scraping and infringing, don't do it silently as that can > only harm us in the long term. Do it a publicly as you can as a form of > civil disobedience and tell your candidates as well as the party leaders and > past ministers/critics that you are doing it, and why you believe this > database must be legally liberated! I'm going to be very public about it. You and others on this list have tried for a long time to get this data set. You wrote letters, met MPs, blogged and networked: everything citizens working within the system should do. Elected officials do not appear to listening to knowledgeable advocates. If they are listening, they certainly aren't getting results. It is time to force the issue. d. |
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On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Re: scraping and infringing and telling everyone - please note that OA > advocates in the U.S. are battling a concerted effort by the anti-OA > publishing lobby to basically change U.S. copyright law to prevent public > access mandates to federally funded research. The Conyers bill is nuts, but > could easily get slipped into another bill and passed. > > This is not a great time to be public about infringing; this would help the > opposition. > > Not that I'm against this approach altogether, just not the best timing. > > best, > > Heather Morrison How would this help the opposition? d. |
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As an illustration of why the legislation is needed. A bad and
totally inappropriate example, but might convince a busy legislator who doesn't really have time to read and think about the details of every piece of legislation that comes their way. One way to explain: the argument that the "N" in NIH (US National Institutes of Health) should not stand for "Napster" is being used to fight the NIH Public Access Mandate. Ridiculous, of course, but anyone who has followed OA advocacy over the years knows that logic is not a requirement of the anti-OA lobby for its arguments. Any legislator who understands copyright, does a thorough reading and is making decisions based on what makes sense (as opposed to who to contibuting to the campaign expenses), is not supporting this bill, anyway... best, h On 23-Sep-08, at 11:25 AM, Daniel Haran wrote: > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Heather Morrison > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Re: scraping and infringing and telling everyone - please note >> that OA >> advocates in the U.S. are battling a concerted effort by the anti-OA >> publishing lobby to basically change U.S. copyright law to prevent >> public >> access mandates to federally funded research. The Conyers bill is >> nuts, but >> could easily get slipped into another bill and passed. >> >> This is not a great time to be public about infringing; this would >> help the >> opposition. >> >> Not that I'm against this approach altogether, just not the best >> timing. >> >> best, >> >> Heather Morrison > > How would this help the opposition? > > d. > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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I believe folks are helping our Canadian democratic system be, well, democratic, by making it easier for citizens to find their MPs.
The NIH public access mandate, if i am not mistaken, is primarily about journal articles and not necessarily the data that are used to create them unless they are included as a PDF appendix in the article. OA movements in general, if i am not mistaken, are about published material and i think there is a different batch of folks working on public data which include socio-demographic, digital maps, framework data and a host of scientific data from both the natural and social sciences. Both are complimentary movements and at some point it might be good to pool resources. Also, I think it is ok to focus on the Canadian elections and not necessarily the US opposition! cheers t On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> wrote: As an illustration of why the legislation is needed. A bad and totally inappropriate example, but might convince a busy legislator who doesn't really have time to read and think about the details of every piece of legislation that comes their way. -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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On 23-Sep-08, at 11:57 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > I believe folks are helping our Canadian democratic system be, > well, democratic, by making it easier for citizens to find their MPs. > > The NIH public access mandate, if i am not mistaken, is primarily > about journal articles and not necessarily the data that are used > to create them unless they are included as a PDF appendix in the > article. OA movements in general, if i am not mistaken, are about > published material and i think there is a different batch of folks > working on public data which include socio-demographic, digital > maps, framework data and a host of scientific data from both the > natural and social sciences. Both are complimentary movements and > at some point it might be good to pool resources. Agreed on pooling resources - I am an OA advocate, totally supporting open data. If open data goes ahead with public infringement, this is fine with me, but - with very best wishes for open data - I'll have to take the ibelieveincanada.ca button off my blog. The folks who are fighting for fair copyright in Canada could have the same potential synergies, and the same issues here. chrs, h > > > Also, I think it is ok to focus on the Canadian elections and not > necessarily the US opposition! > > cheers > t > > > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Heather Morrison > <[hidden email]> wrote: > As an illustration of why the legislation is needed. A bad and > totally inappropriate example, but might convince a busy legislator > who doesn't really have time to read and think about the details of > every piece of legislation that comes their way. > > One way to explain: the argument that the "N" in NIH (US National > Institutes of Health) should not stand for "Napster" is being used > to fight the NIH Public Access Mandate. Ridiculous, of course, but > anyone who has followed OA advocacy over the years knows that logic > is not a requirement of the anti-OA lobby for its arguments. > > Any legislator who understands copyright, does a thorough reading > and is making decisions based on what makes sense (as opposed to > who to contibuting to the campaign expenses), is not supporting > this bill, anyway... > > best, > > h > > > On 23-Sep-08, at 11:25 AM, Daniel Haran wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Heather Morrison > <[hidden email]> wrote: > Re: scraping and infringing and telling everyone - please note > that OA > advocates in the U.S. are battling a concerted effort by the anti-OA > publishing lobby to basically change U.S. copyright law to prevent > public > access mandates to federally funded research. The Conyers bill is > nuts, but > could easily get slipped into another bill and passed. > > This is not a great time to be public about infringing; this would > help the > opposition. > > Not that I'm against this approach altogether, just not the best > timing. > > best, > > Heather Morrison > > How would this help the opposition? > > d. > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > -- > Tracey P. Lauriault > 613-234-2805 > https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Hey Heather!
ibelieveincanada.ca initiative is partially inspired by civicaccess.ca and many other initiatives primarily in the US, so keep the button! The person who developed the initiative is a list member of civicaccess.ca but it is not a civicaccess.ca led project. Civicaccess.ca is a mixed list with lots of ideas, discussion streams and different communities & individuals working on different ways to make public data and information available to the public. Some discuss legislative methods, lobby methods, tool building, movement creation, file issues or more direct action activist methods to make the issues more obvious. The heterogeneity of interests and skills on the list are wonderful and pooling brains and resources is a great thing. My take is when the intent is for openness, transparency and democracy pushing the frontiers a little is a good thing, particularly during an election and particularly with a public file that people have been trying to make public for a long time. These same type of tactics were used in peace movements, anti-racist movements and other social justice movements and from time to time strategically taking a stance and taking a direct action is important and it seems like some people on the list have consciously decided to do that and we will all see where that goes. It is not all out pilfering, it is a political tactic. Cheers t On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> wrote:
-- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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