Toronto Real Estate Board shuts down local man's data visualization project

[David Murdoch]

ICYMI 'I felt like I was being bullied': Toronto Real Estate Board shuts down local man's data visualization project http://ow.ly/LS3730f8M5W 

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[Herb Lainchbury]

Interesting article.

Thanks for posting this David.

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[Glen Newton]

The devil is in the details of this sentence:
"Using information released by TREB in early July, he published a visualization of trends in Toronto's housing market."

Did he:

1 - Scrape pages from TREB all which indicated copyright

or

2 - TREB published a dataset with an Open Data license and he used this for his web site.

If #1, then he should not be surprised by this outcome.

Yes, I read what Teresa Scassa said. If this were true, we wouldn't need Open Data licenses...

Glen

On 15 September 2017 at 12:39, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote:

Interesting article.

Thanks for posting this David.

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[Glen Newton]

Correction:
> If this were true, we wouldn't need Open Data licenses...
This might be true (I am not a lawyer), but if you need a court to decide it,  it doesn't really matter to ordinary folk. You can be silenced by the deep legal costs of going to court (or avoiding that).

Glen

On 15 September 2017 at 12:57, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:

The devil is in the details of this sentence:
"Using information released by TREB in early July, he published a visualization of trends in Toronto's housing market."

Did he:

1 - Scrape pages from TREB all which indicated copyright

or

2 - TREB published a dataset with an Open Data license and he used this for his web site.

If #1, then he should not be surprised by this outcome.

Yes, I read what Teresa Scassa said. If this were true, we wouldn't need Open Data licenses...

Glen

On 15 September 2017 at 12:39, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote:

Interesting article.

Thanks for posting this David.

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[john whelan]

Now compare this tto the UK:

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/

and thtat's only one of the sites.  If you plugin the postcode you'll see estimated prices for any house.

Cheerio John

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[john whelan]

"Historic house prices can be found in the land registry system, while property taxes are a matter of public record and should be available through the City of Ottawa."

So if you take the property tax for a house you can use it to get back to the estimated house price.  It might not be the complete answer but it would a lot of pressure on someone.

Cheerio John

On 16 September 2017 at 08:08, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Now compare this tto the UK:

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/

and thtat's only one of the sites.  If you plugin the postcode you'll see estimated prices for any house.

Cheerio John

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Teresa Scassa wrote a great blog post about this article.

http://www.teresascassa.ca/index.php?option=com_k2&view=item&id=260:data-visualization-removed-over-threat-of-legal-action

He is being bullied and he should not take it down!

On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 8:45 AM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:

"Historic house prices can be found in the land registry system, while property taxes are a matter of public record and should be available through the City of Ottawa."

So if you take the property tax for a house you can use it to get back to the estimated house price.  It might not be the complete answer but it would a lot of pressure on someone.

Cheerio John

On 16 September 2017 at 08:08, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote:

Now compare this tto the UK:

https://www.zoopla.co.uk/

and thtat's only one of the sites.  If you plugin the postcode you'll see estimated prices for any house.

Cheerio John

On 15 September 2017 at 06:51, David Murdoch <[hidden email]> wrote:

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