Postal Code data

Tracey P. Lauriault

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

Assistant Professor 
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication
Suite 4110, River Building
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

Given that Canada Post has dug in its heels with the Geolytica law suit to assert its intellectual property rights in both postal codes and the postal code database, I don't think they plan on making it open any time soon.

Teresa

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James McKinney
Sent: March-09-16 3:09 PM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

To some extent, all ministers have a mandate, as their mandate letters all include a commitment to “open by default” [1].

Anyhow, as the #1 requested dataset, you can be certain that TBS has already spoken to Canada Post. Seeing as the dataset is not yet available (unlike many other top-requested datasets), there are only so many options: either Canada Post is slow to respond to TBS’ request, or Canada Post has refused to open the data.

My understanding is that TBS has no power to compel Canada Post to release the data. The Directive on Open Government [2] only applies to departments as defined in Section 2 of the Financial Administration Act. That section [3] doesn’t include Canada Post. Canada Post may voluntarily use the Directive according to its clause 2.2.

So, if sent to TBS, the most likely outcome is that they will say they’ve raised the issue with Canada Post, and have forwarded this most recent correspondence to Canada Post. If sent to the minister responsible, at least you’re talking to person with the power to change things. My 2 cents.

1. http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister-public-services-and-procurement-mandate-letter
2. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?section=text&id=28108
3. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-f-11/latest/rsc-1985-c-f-11.html#SCHEDULE_II__494823

On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Tracey, to reduce the back and forth on this (and the likelihood that I will get it wrong), can you provide wording in the text of the letter (current version attached) to ensure we have the right ask in terms of file format?

Russel, happy to chat.

On the issue of whom to address it to, I think Treasury is the right target, although we should certainly cc the Canada Post minister and the CEO.  While the Public Services Minister is ultimately the one who will have to order the corporation to release the data, unfortunately she does not have a mandate on open data.  This is Treasury Board’s, so I’d like to at least start there.  TB may refer the letter to Foote, and if so there’s not much we can do about it.  But I’d like to have a response from a minister who has a mandate to do what we’re asking, not from a minister who is more likely to just parrot whatever CP says.

Aa

<postal code open data letter.docx>

On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

you need more than shape files, expand your format ask, see the formats for the FSA I sent.

Also, there could be wsf, geojson, etc.

The letter needs to also be addressed to Canada Post, Treasury Board may not have jurisdiction over it.

Also, Russel is the expert so be sure to get his input, perhaps a phone conversation.

I am happy to sing your letter if you are looking for co-signatory folks - Open North.  Any others?

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Good point on calling for it to be open and not just accessilble.

There’s a cc at the end for both the CEO of Canada Post and the PM.  The letter calls for shapefiles and I’ve added “other attributes", but I can make it clearer a the end by stating "including shapefiles and other attributes”.

I spoke with David Fewer at CIPPIC and they like the letter and will sign on.

Aa

On Mar 9, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

Aaron;

I see your letter is to TBS, it also needs to go to Canada Post.

Here is the URL to the FSA https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/geo/bound-limit/bound-limit-2011-eng.cfm, you will note the Canada Post copyright on this dbase, therefore it is not an open dataset but it is an accessible dataset.

In terms of the postal code, be sure to specify exactly what you want.  Your letter at the moment does not, and you could just get a list of postal codes and no coordinates, do you want it accessible so that you can embed into apps, then you need some sort of API, do you want a point file or a bounded polygon etc.

Again, read up on the jurisdictional divide between tbs and a crown corporation.  Also, would be good to know, seperately what the revenu stream is for canada post in relation to this database and what are the implications for the loss of revenue.

In Ireland for example, the Ordnance Survey survived the economic crash because of its crown corporation like structure, it was protected from the gov cutbacks as it had a revenue stream that allowed it to stay current, kitted and have professional staff and to innovate.  They are changing and will be subsumed within national government, and the uncertainties related to that may mean not only a loss of autonomy, but also budgetary issues.

Russel, what are your thoughts on the letter and what should be asked in it?

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:
Here is the url to the Postcode of Great Britain - 
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/co
de-point-open.html

GPS was opened and look what happened to the development of LBS, wearables and mobility in general.

Postal Codes help with routing etc. and all the good things I mentioned earlier, so both corporate and public benefit, while FSA are foundational for research and all the things that Harvey is talking about.

The GB Postcode data in the Ordnance Survey would be analysis of the FSA.

Aaron, working with Russel is really important, he is our national expert on this file.  Also, Canada Post is a crown corporation, so not sure what the national TBS open data/open government jurisdictional divide is on enforcement, irrespective, making sure your letter also goes to them is important.

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Harvey Low [hidden email] wrote:
Just to add to Tracey’s usual spot-on assessments, the Postal Code geography (in particular FSA, FSA+1 digit), would provide a level of data aggregation that minimizes sampling restrictions at the Census Tract and DA levels). It also provides a level of data aggregation that can be consistent across Municipalities for cross-municipal planning purposes, easily understood by the public, and in support of national strategic policy or social advocacy outcomes (e.g., National Housing initiatives, childcare etc).

We would use his geography as an additional level of sampling fur surveys as well.

Harvey Low,  B.A.A., M.C.I.P.

Manager, Social Research & Information Management,

Social Development Finance & Administration Division,

City of Toronto
City Hall, 14th Floor, East Tower
100 Queen Street West
Toronto, ON M5H 2N2

416-392-8660
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From: [hidden email] 
[[hidden email]] On Behalf Of 
Tracey P. Lauriault
Sent: March-09-16 9:36 AM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

Hi John;

The new post code in Ireland was just deployed last year and it was created by a semi state institution and subcontracted out to a company called Capita.  It is not a public data set.

The argument for Canada is important, since, the postal code is arguably a very important dataset for the functioning of our democracy as it informs the electoral districts, help you finding your MP and is a key determinant in knowing where to vote.  It is also used in relation to taxation analysis (FSA) and used extensive by Statistics Canada.  It is an indexical data set and I would argue it is infrastructure or framework data.

It is also a major money maker as all the big data firms, marketing lists and consumer targeted sales rest upon it.

Russel McOrmond at Digital Copyright Canada has been working to get access to this for a long time - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/blog/2.

Finally there is currently ongoing litigation,

"CIPPIC has filed a Statement of Defense on behalf of its client, Geolytica, in response to a lawsuit filed by the Canada Post Corporation in the Federal Court of Canada (File No. T-519-12) claiming that it owns copyright in its database of postal codes and that Geolytica has infringed that copyright by "crowd-sourcing" data for its own database of postal codes mapped to street addresses."

And I am not sure where this case stands at the moment.

Aaron, you are in good company on what you would like to do.

Cheerio

Tracey 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:58 AM, john whelan [hidden email] wrote:

Is the UK postcode data available?  Does anyone have any feedback of the impact of releasing it?

Note to Tracy did Ireland use postcodes and was it released?

Thanks

Cheerio John

On 8 March 2016 at 22:22, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

New to this list, so my apologies if I’m not up to date on this issue.  I was looking at some of the past postings on liberating postal code files from Canada Post.

I was wondering if anyone is interested in pushing the federal government once again to release this data.  I’d be happy to be involved in such an initiative.  Have there been organized efforts in the past to win this fight?

Aaron
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
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Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
[hidden email]
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/

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Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
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Given that Canada Post has dug in its heels with the Geolytica law suit to assert its intellectual property rights in both postal codes and the postal code database, I don't think they plan on making it open any time soon.

Teresa

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James McKinney
Sent: March-09-16 3:09 PM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

To some extent, all ministers have a mandate, as their mandate letters all include a commitment to “open by default” [1].

Anyhow, as the #1 requested dataset, you can be certain that TBS has already spoken to Canada Post. Seeing as the dataset is not yet available (unlike many other top-requested datasets), there are only so many options: either Canada Post is slow to respond to TBS’ request, or Canada Post has refused to open the data.

My understanding is that TBS has no power to compel Canada Post to release the data. The Directive on Open Government [2] only applies to departments as defined in Section 2 of the Financial Administration Act. That section [3] doesn’t include Canada Post. Canada Post may voluntarily use the Directive according to its clause 2.2.

So, if sent to TBS, the most likely outcome is that they will say they’ve raised the issue with Canada Post, and have forwarded this most recent correspondence to Canada Post. If sent to the minister responsible, at least you’re talking to person with the power to change things. My 2 cents.

1. http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister-public-services-and-procurement-mandate-letter
2. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?section=text&id=28108
3. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-f-11/latest/rsc-1985-c-f-11.html#SCHEDULE_II__494823

On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Tracey, to reduce the back and forth on this (and the likelihood that I will get it wrong), can you provide wording in the text of the letter (current version attached) to ensure we have the right ask in terms of file format?

Russel, happy to chat.

On the issue of whom to address it to, I think Treasury is the right target, although we should certainly cc the Canada Post minister and the CEO.  While the Public Services Minister is ultimately the one who will have to order the corporation to release the data, unfortunately she does not have a mandate on open data.  This is Treasury Board’s, so I’d like to at least start there.  TB may refer the letter to Foote, and if so there’s not much we can do about it.  But I’d like to have a response from a minister who has a mandate to do what we’re asking, not from a minister who is more likely to just parrot whatever CP says.

Aa

<postal code open data letter.docx>

On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

you need more than shape files, expand your format ask, see the formats for the FSA I sent.

Also, there could be wsf, geojson, etc.

The letter needs to also be addressed to Canada Post, Treasury Board may not have jurisdiction over it.

Also, Russel is the expert so be sure to get his input, perhaps a phone conversation.

I am happy to sing your letter if you are looking for co-signatory folks - Open North.  Any others?

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Good point on calling for it to be open and not just accessilble.

There’s a cc at the end for both the CEO of Canada Post and the PM.  The letter calls for shapefiles and I’ve added “other attributes", but I can make it clearer a the end by stating "including shapefiles and other attributes”.

I spoke with David Fewer at CIPPIC and they like the letter and will sign on.

Aa

On Mar 9, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

Aaron;

I see your letter is to TBS, it also needs to go to Canada Post.

Here is the URL to the FSA https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/geo/bound-limit/bound-limit-2011-eng.cfm, you will note the Canada Post copyright on this dbase, therefore it is not an open dataset but it is an accessible dataset.

In terms of the postal code, be sure to specify exactly what you want.  Your letter at the moment does not, and you could just get a list of postal codes and no coordinates, do you want it accessible so that you can embed into apps, then you need some sort of API, do you want a point file or a bounded polygon etc.

Again, read up on the jurisdictional divide between tbs and a crown corporation.  Also, would be good to know, seperately what the revenu stream is for canada post in relation to this database and what are the implications for the loss of revenue.

In Ireland for example, the Ordnance Survey survived the economic crash because of its crown corporation like structure, it was protected from the gov cutbacks as it had a revenue stream that allowed it to stay current, kitted and have professional staff and to innovate.  They are changing and will be subsumed within national government, and the uncertainties related to that may mean not only a loss of autonomy, but also budgetary issues.

Russel, what are your thoughts on the letter and what should be asked in it?

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:
Here is the url to the Postcode of Great Britain - 
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/co
de-point-open.html

GPS was opened and look what happened to the development of LBS, wearables and mobility in general.

Postal Codes help with routing etc. and all the good things I mentioned earlier, so both corporate and public benefit, while FSA are foundational for research and all the things that Harvey is talking about.

The GB Postcode data in the Ordnance Survey would be analysis of the FSA.

Aaron, working with Russel is really important, he is our national expert on this file.  Also, Canada Post is a crown corporation, so not sure what the national TBS open data/open government jurisdictional divide is on enforcement, irrespective, making sure your letter also goes to them is important.

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Harvey Low [hidden email] wrote:
Just to add to Tracey’s usual spot-on assessments, the Postal Code geography (in particular FSA, FSA+1 digit), would provide a level of data aggregation that minimizes sampling restrictions at the Census Tract and DA levels). It also provides a level of data aggregation that can be consistent across Municipalities for cross-municipal planning purposes, easily understood by the public, and in support of national strategic policy or social advocacy outcomes (e.g., National Housing initiatives, childcare etc).

We would use his geography as an additional level of sampling fur surveys as well.

Harvey Low,  B.A.A., M.C.I.P.

Manager, Social Research & Information Management,

Social Development Finance & Administration Division,

City of Toronto
City Hall, 14th Floor, East Tower
100 Queen Street West
Toronto, ON M5H 2N2

416-392-8660
[hidden email]

From: [hidden email] 
[[hidden email]] On Behalf Of 
Tracey P. Lauriault
Sent: March-09-16 9:36 AM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

Hi John;

The new post code in Ireland was just deployed last year and it was created by a semi state institution and subcontracted out to a company called Capita.  It is not a public data set.

The argument for Canada is important, since, the postal code is arguably a very important dataset for the functioning of our democracy as it informs the electoral districts, help you finding your MP and is a key determinant in knowing where to vote.  It is also used in relation to taxation analysis (FSA) and used extensive by Statistics Canada.  It is an indexical data set and I would argue it is infrastructure or framework data.

It is also a major money maker as all the big data firms, marketing lists and consumer targeted sales rest upon it.

Russel McOrmond at Digital Copyright Canada has been working to get access to this for a long time - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/blog/2.

Finally there is currently ongoing litigation,

"CIPPIC has filed a Statement of Defense on behalf of its client, Geolytica, in response to a lawsuit filed by the Canada Post Corporation in the Federal Court of Canada (File No. T-519-12) claiming that it owns copyright in its database of postal codes and that Geolytica has infringed that copyright by "crowd-sourcing" data for its own database of postal codes mapped to street addresses."

And I am not sure where this case stands at the moment.

Aaron, you are in good company on what you would like to do.

Cheerio

Tracey 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:58 AM, john whelan [hidden email] wrote:

Is the UK postcode data available?  Does anyone have any feedback of the impact of releasing it?

Note to Tracy did Ireland use postcodes and was it released?

Thanks

Cheerio John

On 8 March 2016 at 22:22, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

New to this list, so my apologies if I’m not up to date on this issue.  I was looking at some of the past postings on liberating postal code files from Canada Post.

I was wondering if anyone is interested in pushing the federal government once again to release this data.  I’d be happy to be involved in such an initiative.  Have there been organized efforts in the past to win this fight?

Aaron
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Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6
1-613-520-2600 x7443
[hidden email]
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault

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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
[hidden email]
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
https://carleton.ca/sjc/people-archives/lauriault-tracey/

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Tracey P. Lauriault
Assistant Professor
Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

1-613-520-2600 x7443
[hidden email]
@TraceyLauriault
Skype: Tracey.P.Lauriault
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Critical Media Studies and Big Data
Communication Studies
School of Journalism and Communication Suite 4110, River Building 
Carleton University
1125 Colonel By Drive
Ottawa (ON) K1S 5B6

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Given that Canada Post has dug in its heels with the Geolytica law suit to assert its intellectual property rights in both postal codes and the postal code database, I don't think they plan on making it open any time soon.

Teresa

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James McKinney
Sent: March-09-16 3:09 PM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

To some extent, all ministers have a mandate, as their mandate letters all include a commitment to “open by default” [1].

Anyhow, as the #1 requested dataset, you can be certain that TBS has already spoken to Canada Post. Seeing as the dataset is not yet available (unlike many other top-requested datasets), there are only so many options: either Canada Post is slow to respond to TBS’ request, or Canada Post has refused to open the data.

My understanding is that TBS has no power to compel Canada Post to release the data. The Directive on Open Government [2] only applies to departments as defined in Section 2 of the Financial Administration Act. That section [3] doesn’t include Canada Post. Canada Post may voluntarily use the Directive according to its clause 2.2.

So, if sent to TBS, the most likely outcome is that they will say they’ve raised the issue with Canada Post, and have forwarded this most recent correspondence to Canada Post. If sent to the minister responsible, at least you’re talking to person with the power to change things. My 2 cents.

1. http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister-public-services-and-procurement-mandate-letter
2. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?section=text&id=28108
3. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-f-11/latest/rsc-1985-c-f-11.html#SCHEDULE_II__494823

On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Tracey, to reduce the back and forth on this (and the likelihood that I will get it wrong), can you provide wording in the text of the letter (current version attached) to ensure we have the right ask in terms of file format?

Russel, happy to chat.

On the issue of whom to address it to, I think Treasury is the right target, although we should certainly cc the Canada Post minister and the CEO.  While the Public Services Minister is ultimately the one who will have to order the corporation to release the data, unfortunately she does not have a mandate on open data.  This is Treasury Board’s, so I’d like to at least start there.  TB may refer the letter to Foote, and if so there’s not much we can do about it.  But I’d like to have a response from a minister who has a mandate to do what we’re asking, not from a minister who is more likely to just parrot whatever CP says.

Aa

<postal code open data letter.docx>

On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

you need more than shape files, expand your format ask, see the formats for the FSA I sent.

Also, there could be wsf, geojson, etc.

The letter needs to also be addressed to Canada Post, Treasury Board may not have jurisdiction over it.

Also, Russel is the expert so be sure to get his input, perhaps a phone conversation.

I am happy to sing your letter if you are looking for co-signatory folks - Open North.  Any others?

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Good point on calling for it to be open and not just accessilble.

There’s a cc at the end for both the CEO of Canada Post and the PM.  The letter calls for shapefiles and I’ve added “other attributes", but I can make it clearer a the end by stating "including shapefiles and other attributes”.

I spoke with David Fewer at CIPPIC and they like the letter and will sign on.

Aa

On Mar 9, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

Aaron;

I see your letter is to TBS, it also needs to go to Canada Post.

Here is the URL to the FSA https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/geo/bound-limit/bound-limit-2011-eng.cfm, you will note the Canada Post copyright on this dbase, therefore it is not an open dataset but it is an accessible dataset.

In terms of the postal code, be sure to specify exactly what you want.  Your letter at the moment does not, and you could just get a list of postal codes and no coordinates, do you want it accessible so that you can embed into apps, then you need some sort of API, do you want a point file or a bounded polygon etc.

Again, read up on the jurisdictional divide between tbs and a crown corporation.  Also, would be good to know, seperately what the revenu stream is for canada post in relation to this database and what are the implications for the loss of revenue.

In Ireland for example, the Ordnance Survey survived the economic crash because of its crown corporation like structure, it was protected from the gov cutbacks as it had a revenue stream that allowed it to stay current, kitted and have professional staff and to innovate.  They are changing and will be subsumed within national government, and the uncertainties related to that may mean not only a loss of autonomy, but also budgetary issues.

Russel, what are your thoughts on the letter and what should be asked in it?

Cheerio
t

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Here is the url to the Postcode of Great Britain - 
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/co
de-point-open.html

GPS was opened and look what happened to the development of LBS, wearables and mobility in general.

Postal Codes help with routing etc. and all the good things I mentioned earlier, so both corporate and public benefit, while FSA are foundational for research and all the things that Harvey is talking about.

The GB Postcode data in the Ordnance Survey would be analysis of the FSA.

Aaron, working with Russel is really important, he is our national expert on this file.  Also, Canada Post is a crown corporation, so not sure what the national TBS open data/open government jurisdictional divide is on enforcement, irrespective, making sure your letter also goes to them is important.

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Harvey Low [hidden email] wrote:
Just to add to Tracey’s usual spot-on assessments, the Postal Code geography (in particular FSA, FSA+1 digit), would provide a level of data aggregation that minimizes sampling restrictions at the Census Tract and DA levels). It also provides a level of data aggregation that can be consistent across Municipalities for cross-municipal planning purposes, easily understood by the public, and in support of national strategic policy or social advocacy outcomes (e.g., National Housing initiatives, childcare etc).

We would use his geography as an additional level of sampling fur surveys as well.

Harvey Low,  B.A.A., M.C.I.P.

Manager, Social Research & Information Management,

Social Development Finance & Administration Division,

City of Toronto
City Hall, 14th Floor, East Tower
100 Queen Street West
Toronto, ON M5H 2N2

416-392-8660
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From: [hidden email] 
[[hidden email]] On Behalf Of 
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Sent: March-09-16 9:36 AM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

Hi John;

The new post code in Ireland was just deployed last year and it was created by a semi state institution and subcontracted out to a company called Capita.  It is not a public data set.

The argument for Canada is important, since, the postal code is arguably a very important dataset for the functioning of our democracy as it informs the electoral districts, help you finding your MP and is a key determinant in knowing where to vote.  It is also used in relation to taxation analysis (FSA) and used extensive by Statistics Canada.  It is an indexical data set and I would argue it is infrastructure or framework data.

It is also a major money maker as all the big data firms, marketing lists and consumer targeted sales rest upon it.

Russel McOrmond at Digital Copyright Canada has been working to get access to this for a long time - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/blog/2.

Finally there is currently ongoing litigation,

"CIPPIC has filed a Statement of Defense on behalf of its client, Geolytica, in response to a lawsuit filed by the Canada Post Corporation in the Federal Court of Canada (File No. T-519-12) claiming that it owns copyright in its database of postal codes and that Geolytica has infringed that copyright by "crowd-sourcing" data for its own database of postal codes mapped to street addresses."

And I am not sure where this case stands at the moment.

Aaron, you are in good company on what you would like to do.

Cheerio

Tracey 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:58 AM, john whelan [hidden email] wrote:

Is the UK postcode data available?  Does anyone have any feedback of the impact of releasing it?

Note to Tracy did Ireland use postcodes and was it released?

Thanks

Cheerio John

On 8 March 2016 at 22:22, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

New to this list, so my apologies if I’m not up to date on this issue.  I was looking at some of the past postings on liberating postal code files from Canada Post.

I was wondering if anyone is interested in pushing the federal government once again to release this data.  I’d be happy to be involved in such an initiative.  Have there been organized efforts in the past to win this fight?

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Given that Canada Post has dug in its heels with the Geolytica law suit to assert its intellectual property rights in both postal codes and the postal code database, I don't think they plan on making it open any time soon.

Teresa

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [[hidden email]] On Behalf Of James McKinney
Sent: March-09-16 3:09 PM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

To some extent, all ministers have a mandate, as their mandate letters all include a commitment to “open by default” [1].

Anyhow, as the #1 requested dataset, you can be certain that TBS has already spoken to Canada Post. Seeing as the dataset is not yet available (unlike many other top-requested datasets), there are only so many options: either Canada Post is slow to respond to TBS’ request, or Canada Post has refused to open the data.

My understanding is that TBS has no power to compel Canada Post to release the data. The Directive on Open Government [2] only applies to departments as defined in Section 2 of the Financial Administration Act. That section [3] doesn’t include Canada Post. Canada Post may voluntarily use the Directive according to its clause 2.2.

So, if sent to TBS, the most likely outcome is that they will say they’ve raised the issue with Canada Post, and have forwarded this most recent correspondence to Canada Post. If sent to the minister responsible, at least you’re talking to person with the power to change things. My 2 cents.

1. http://pm.gc.ca/eng/minister-public-services-and-procurement-mandate-letter
2. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?section=text&id=28108
3. http://www.canlii.org/en/ca/laws/stat/rsc-1985-c-f-11/latest/rsc-1985-c-f-11.html#SCHEDULE_II__494823

On Mar 9, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Tracey, to reduce the back and forth on this (and the likelihood that I will get it wrong), can you provide wording in the text of the letter (current version attached) to ensure we have the right ask in terms of file format?

Russel, happy to chat.

On the issue of whom to address it to, I think Treasury is the right target, although we should certainly cc the Canada Post minister and the CEO.  While the Public Services Minister is ultimately the one who will have to order the corporation to release the data, unfortunately she does not have a mandate on open data.  This is Treasury Board’s, so I’d like to at least start there.  TB may refer the letter to Foote, and if so there’s not much we can do about it.  But I’d like to have a response from a minister who has a mandate to do what we’re asking, not from a minister who is more likely to just parrot whatever CP says.

Aa

<postal code open data letter.docx>

On Mar 9, 2016, at 1:30 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

you need more than shape files, expand your format ask, see the formats for the FSA I sent.

Also, there could be wsf, geojson, etc.

The letter needs to also be addressed to Canada Post, Treasury Board may not have jurisdiction over it.

Also, Russel is the expert so be sure to get his input, perhaps a phone conversation.

I am happy to sing your letter if you are looking for co-signatory folks - Open North.  Any others?

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

Good point on calling for it to be open and not just accessilble.

There’s a cc at the end for both the CEO of Canada Post and the PM.  The letter calls for shapefiles and I’ve added “other attributes", but I can make it clearer a the end by stating "including shapefiles and other attributes”.

I spoke with David Fewer at CIPPIC and they like the letter and will sign on.

Aa

On Mar 9, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:

Aaron;

I see your letter is to TBS, it also needs to go to Canada Post.

Here is the URL to the FSA https://www12.statcan.gc.ca/census-recensement/2011/geo/bound-limit/bound-limit-2011-eng.cfm, you will note the Canada Post copyright on this dbase, therefore it is not an open dataset but it is an accessible dataset.

In terms of the postal code, be sure to specify exactly what you want.  Your letter at the moment does not, and you could just get a list of postal codes and no coordinates, do you want it accessible so that you can embed into apps, then you need some sort of API, do you want a point file or a bounded polygon etc.

Again, read up on the jurisdictional divide between tbs and a crown corporation.  Also, would be good to know, seperately what the revenu stream is for canada post in relation to this database and what are the implications for the loss of revenue.

In Ireland for example, the Ordnance Survey survived the economic crash because of its crown corporation like structure, it was protected from the gov cutbacks as it had a revenue stream that allowed it to stay current, kitted and have professional staff and to innovate.  They are changing and will be subsumed within national government, and the uncertainties related to that may mean not only a loss of autonomy, but also budgetary issues.

Russel, what are your thoughts on the letter and what should be asked in it?

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 1:08 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault [hidden email] wrote:
Here is the url to the Postcode of Great Britain - 
https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/business-and-government/products/co
de-point-open.html

GPS was opened and look what happened to the development of LBS, wearables and mobility in general.

Postal Codes help with routing etc. and all the good things I mentioned earlier, so both corporate and public benefit, while FSA are foundational for research and all the things that Harvey is talking about.

The GB Postcode data in the Ordnance Survey would be analysis of the FSA.

Aaron, working with Russel is really important, he is our national expert on this file.  Also, Canada Post is a crown corporation, so not sure what the national TBS open data/open government jurisdictional divide is on enforcement, irrespective, making sure your letter also goes to them is important.

Cheerio
t

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Harvey Low [hidden email] wrote:
Just to add to Tracey’s usual spot-on assessments, the Postal Code geography (in particular FSA, FSA+1 digit), would provide a level of data aggregation that minimizes sampling restrictions at the Census Tract and DA levels). It also provides a level of data aggregation that can be consistent across Municipalities for cross-municipal planning purposes, easily understood by the public, and in support of national strategic policy or social advocacy outcomes (e.g., National Housing initiatives, childcare etc).

We would use his geography as an additional level of sampling fur surveys as well.

Harvey Low,  B.A.A., M.C.I.P.

Manager, Social Research & Information Management,

Social Development Finance & Administration Division,

City of Toronto
City Hall, 14th Floor, East Tower
100 Queen Street West
Toronto, ON M5H 2N2

416-392-8660
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From: [hidden email] 
[[hidden email]] On Behalf Of 
Tracey P. Lauriault
Sent: March-09-16 9:36 AM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Postal Code data

Hi John;

The new post code in Ireland was just deployed last year and it was created by a semi state institution and subcontracted out to a company called Capita.  It is not a public data set.

The argument for Canada is important, since, the postal code is arguably a very important dataset for the functioning of our democracy as it informs the electoral districts, help you finding your MP and is a key determinant in knowing where to vote.  It is also used in relation to taxation analysis (FSA) and used extensive by Statistics Canada.  It is an indexical data set and I would argue it is infrastructure or framework data.

It is also a major money maker as all the big data firms, marketing lists and consumer targeted sales rest upon it.

Russel McOrmond at Digital Copyright Canada has been working to get access to this for a long time - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/blog/2.

Finally there is currently ongoing litigation,

"CIPPIC has filed a Statement of Defense on behalf of its client, Geolytica, in response to a lawsuit filed by the Canada Post Corporation in the Federal Court of Canada (File No. T-519-12) claiming that it owns copyright in its database of postal codes and that Geolytica has infringed that copyright by "crowd-sourcing" data for its own database of postal codes mapped to street addresses."

And I am not sure where this case stands at the moment.

Aaron, you are in good company on what you would like to do.

Cheerio

Tracey 

On Wed, Mar 9, 2016 at 7:58 AM, john whelan [hidden email] wrote:

Is the UK postcode data available?  Does anyone have any feedback of the impact of releasing it?

Note to Tracy did Ireland use postcodes and was it released?

Thanks

Cheerio John

On 8 March 2016 at 22:22, Aaron Freeman [hidden email] wrote:

New to this list, so my apologies if I’m not up to date on this issue.  I was looking at some of the past postings on liberating postal code files from Canada Post.

I was wondering if anyone is interested in pushing the federal government once again to release this data.  I’d be happy to be involved in such an initiative.  Have there been organized efforts in the past to win this fight?

Aaron
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