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I've heard that the determination of whether PCCF will be included as a base geographic product that is available for free or will continue to be available only for $10k has not yet been made, and that this is partly responsible for the late delivery of 4Q update. What would be a good way to lobby for the inclusion of this product in the open data initiative?
From the product description page: The Postal Code Conversion File (PCCF) links the six-character postal codes to the standard 2006 Census geographic areas (such as dissemination areas, census tracts, and census subdivisions). By linking postal codes to the Statistics Canada geographic areas, the file facilitates the extraction and subsequent aggregation of data for selected geographic areas. The PCCF also associates each postal code with a longitude and latitude coordinate to support mapping applications. A reference guide is included (Catalogue no. 92-153-GWE). http://www.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?catno=92-153-X&lang=eng This seems like it should be a top priority for inclusion as it is a primary means of determining which census information is relevant for an address in Canada at the finest level of resolution. Joe Murray, PhD President, JMA Consulting [hidden email] skype JosephPMurray twitter JoeMurray 416.466.1281 On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:00 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote: Send CivicAccess-discuss mailing list submissions to |
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2 ways - 1 - request it at opendata.gc.ca - here - http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=8A4E1E4D-1
and write a letter - Russell has been running a campaign here - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/ see right nav bar. Many of us should do the same.
Joe, if you do make a request and write a letter, would you share it here as others just may wanna copy your things, tweak it a little and submit. Cheers t
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Joe Murray <[hidden email]> wrote: I've heard that the determination of whether PCCF will be included as a base geographic product that is available for free or will continue to be available only for $10k has not yet been made, and that this is partly responsible for the late delivery of 4Q update. What would be a good way to lobby for the inclusion of this product in the open data initiative? |
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On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Joe Murray
<[hidden email]> wrote: > I've heard that the determination of whether PCCF will be included as a base > geographic product that is available for free or will continue to be > available only for $10k has not yet been made, and that this is partly > responsible for the late delivery of 4Q update. What would be a good way to > lobby for the inclusion of this product in the open data initiative? Who would ultimately be making the decision? My old petition relating to PCFRF (Which could be derived from this + the riding shapefiles Elections Canada already offers for free) sent messages to MPs. Not sure if that would help or hinder in this specific case. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://l.c11.ca/ict/ "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" http://c11.ca/own |
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Correct me if I'm wrong, Russell, but to my knowledge nothing short of PCFRF itself gives a mapping between postal codes and ridings. All postal code products I know of do not give you the polygon for the postal code. At best you get a point, which doesn't help for those many postal codes that fall across riding boundaries. When producing the PCFRF file, Statcan seems like it does have access to postal code boundaries, and so sometimes maps one postal code to many ridings.
Anyway, following David Eaves' suggestion, here is the data request I made to opendata.gc.ca using this form, which I encourage you to modify and send if you would also like this data made available: http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=8A4E1E4D-1 --- I would like the Postal Code by Federal Ridings File (PCFRF) and Postal Code Conversion File (PCCF) to be made open data. The Statcan product pages are: and, This data is crucial for developers to build tools that allow citizens to find information relating to their federal riding and census geographic areas. Many public interest web sites would immediately benefit from having this data made available, including: Thank you, James McKinney On 2011-11-28, at 12:49 PM, Russell McOrmond wrote:
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Re-reading the thread, I believe I should have attributed the suggestion to Tracey Lauriault, oops!
On 2011-11-30, at 2:08 PM, James McKinney wrote:
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On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 2:08 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, Russell, but to my knowledge nothing short of PCFRF > itself gives a mapping between postal codes and ridings. All postal code > products I know of do not give you the polygon for the postal code. At best > you get a point, which doesn't help for those many postal codes that fall > across riding boundaries. I haven't seen the postal code data to know if they are shapes or points, so can't comment either way. I have been assuming that they were shapes. > When producing the PCFRF file, Statcan seems like > it does have access to postal code boundaries, and so sometimes maps one > postal code to many ridings. Up to 6 in the 2005 data to be precise http://www.digital-copyright.ca/node/1607 I was given a different explanation, which was that postal codes given to existing people weren't renumbered. An area that was farmland could then be sold to developers. The postal codes of the original farmhouses would span a large geographical area, even if the more tightly packed neighbors had different postal codes. > Anyway, following David Eaves' suggestion, here is the data request I made > to opendata.gc.ca using this form, which I encourage you to modify and send > if you would also like this data made > available: http://www.data.gc.ca/default.asp?lang=En&n=8A4E1E4D-1 Thanks -- I sent the following: ---- http://www.statcan.ca/bsolc/english/bsolc?catno=92F0193X http://www.statcan.ca/bsolc/english/bsolc?catno=92F0193U I have been hosting a letter writing campaign to convince MPs to make this data freely available. Many different community campaigns encouraging people to get involved in politics and interact with MPs use this data. Having accurate data that everyone uses (including across government departments) would be very valuable. I look forward to being able to update the information at http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid/postal ---- I listed the agency as statistics Canada, but forgot to mention that Elections Canada also has this data and is not making it available only because StatsCan is selling it. Elections Canada does make their version of PCFRF available to political parties directly. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://l.c11.ca/ict/ "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" http://c11.ca/own |
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