National Post Info Graphic on Abortions In Canada
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National Post Info Graphic on Abortions In Canada
 
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The NP released this graphic http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/07/graphic-abortion-in-canada-almost-100000-documented-terminations-in-2009/. The numbers reported in this graphic are available for free download here - http://www.cihi.ca/cihi-ext-portal/internet/en/quick_stats/quick+stats/quick_stats_main?xQSType=Pre-formatted%20Table&xTopic=Hospital%20Care&pageNumber=5&resultCount=4&filterTypeBy=1&filterTopicBy=5&autorefresh=1 Are there any epidemiologists or demographers in this field who can check these numbers and see if a more nuanced approached can be communicated here? For instance are there any studies to point to the reporter that he should have considered? Why so many? Why so many young women between the ages of 20-24 (which he did not report)? How many pregnancies were there in 2009? How many pregnancies are the result of rape, incest, in contexts of spousal abuse (are those types of data even calculated?)? Also, according to StatCan (http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=0510013&pattern=510011..0510013&tabMode=dataTable&srchLan=-1&p1=-1&p2=-1) it was estimated that there were +/- 379 373 births in 2009, and if that is the case, then, close to 25% of pregnancies resulted in abortions. Of course the number of miscarriages were not accounted for, nor the number of pregnancies and miscarriages that were unreported. That seems rather high? Who does work this kind of population study? I just think there is something off about the CIHI numbers but I do not know enough about the topic to question the data. Are there other, better datasets? Cheers t -- Tracey P. Lauriault Post Doctoral Fellow Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault http://datalibre.ca/ 613-234-2805 |
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Or even are any from other countries where abortion is more difficult to obtain? Given the availability of access to health services and other methods of birth control in Canada the numbers seem very high.
Cheerio John On 11 December 2012 13:54, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: All; |
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Yes, and how many were induced because the pregnancy was a risk to the mother, or the baby died in the womb.
So many good questions not asked. But then… I don't think that was the point of the article. But then, there are not that many good articles on abortion and data and visualizations don't automatically make articles better… but happily they do make them more contestable! On 2012-12-11, at 10:54 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > All; > > The NP released this graphic > http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/07/graphic-abortion-in-canada-almost-100000-documented-terminations-in-2009/. > > The numbers reported in this graphic are available for free download > here - http://www.cihi.ca/cihi-ext-portal/internet/en/quick_stats/quick+stats/quick_stats_main?xQSType=Pre-formatted%20Table&xTopic=Hospital%20Care&pageNumber=5&resultCount=4&filterTypeBy=1&filterTopicBy=5&autorefresh=1 > > Are there any epidemiologists or demographers in this field who can > check these numbers and see if a more nuanced approached can be > communicated here? > > For instance are there any studies to point to the reporter that he > should have considered? Why so many? Why so many young women between > the ages of 20-24 (which he did not report)? How many pregnancies > were there in 2009? How many pregnancies are the result of rape, > incest, in contexts of spousal abuse (are those types of data even > calculated?)? > > Also, according to StatCan > (http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=0510013&pattern=510011..0510013&tabMode=dataTable&srchLan=-1&p1=-1&p2=-1) > it was estimated that there were +/- 379 373 births in 2009, and if > that is the case, then, close to 25% of pregnancies resulted in > abortions. Of course the number of miscarriages were not accounted > for, nor the number of pregnancies and miscarriages that were > unreported. That seems rather high? Who does work this kind of > population study? > > I just think there is something off about the CIHI numbers but I do > not know enough about the topic to question the data. Are there > other, better datasets? > > Cheers > t > > -- > Tracey P. Lauriault > Post Doctoral Fellow > Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre > https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault > http://datalibre.ca/ > 613-234-2805 > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Number:
- USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States - UK: 196,082 carried out in 2011: http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/24/abortion-statistics-england-wales Canadian numbers are in the same ballpark per capita as USA, UK. More info: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.htm -Glenl On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote: > Or even are any from other countries where abortion is more difficult to > obtain? Given the availability of access to health services and other > methods of birth control in Canada the numbers seem very high. > > Cheerio John > > On 11 December 2012 13:54, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> All; >> >> The NP released this graphic >> >> http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/07/graphic-abortion-in-canada-almost-100000-documented-terminations-in-2009/. >> >> The numbers reported in this graphic are available for free download >> here - >> http://www.cihi.ca/cihi-ext-portal/internet/en/quick_stats/quick+stats/quick_stats_main?xQSType=Pre-formatted%20Table&xTopic=Hospital%20Care&pageNumber=5&resultCount=4&filterTypeBy=1&filterTopicBy=5&autorefresh=1 >> >> Are there any epidemiologists or demographers in this field who can >> check these numbers and see if a more nuanced approached can be >> communicated here? >> >> For instance are there any studies to point to the reporter that he >> should have considered? Why so many? Why so many young women between >> the ages of 20-24 (which he did not report)? How many pregnancies >> were there in 2009? How many pregnancies are the result of rape, >> incest, in contexts of spousal abuse (are those types of data even >> calculated?)? >> >> Also, according to StatCan >> >> (http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=0510013&pattern=510011..0510013&tabMode=dataTable&srchLan=-1&p1=-1&p2=-1) >> it was estimated that there were +/- 379 373 births in 2009, and if >> that is the case, then, close to 25% of pregnancies resulted in >> abortions. Of course the number of miscarriages were not accounted >> for, nor the number of pregnancies and miscarriages that were >> unreported. That seems rather high? Who does work this kind of >> population study? >> >> I just think there is something off about the CIHI numbers but I do >> not know enough about the topic to question the data. Are there >> other, better datasets? >> >> Cheers >> t >> >> -- >> Tracey P. Lauriault >> Post Doctoral Fellow >> Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre >> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >> http://datalibre.ca/ >> 613-234-2805 >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- - http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ - |
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Apologies: "UK" should have read "England and Wales" ("England and
Wales" = UK minus Scotland minus Northern Ireland minus Guernsey minus Jersey. minus Isle of Man) -Glen On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote: > Number: > - USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States > - UK: 196,082 carried out in 2011: > http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/24/abortion-statistics-england-wales > > Canadian numbers are in the same ballpark per capita as USA, UK. > > More info: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.htm > > -Glenl > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Or even are any from other countries where abortion is more difficult to >> obtain? Given the availability of access to health services and other >> methods of birth control in Canada the numbers seem very high. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> On 11 December 2012 13:54, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> All; >>> >>> The NP released this graphic >>> >>> http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/07/graphic-abortion-in-canada-almost-100000-documented-terminations-in-2009/. >>> >>> The numbers reported in this graphic are available for free download >>> here - >>> http://www.cihi.ca/cihi-ext-portal/internet/en/quick_stats/quick+stats/quick_stats_main?xQSType=Pre-formatted%20Table&xTopic=Hospital%20Care&pageNumber=5&resultCount=4&filterTypeBy=1&filterTopicBy=5&autorefresh=1 >>> >>> Are there any epidemiologists or demographers in this field who can >>> check these numbers and see if a more nuanced approached can be >>> communicated here? >>> >>> For instance are there any studies to point to the reporter that he >>> should have considered? Why so many? Why so many young women between >>> the ages of 20-24 (which he did not report)? How many pregnancies >>> were there in 2009? How many pregnancies are the result of rape, >>> incest, in contexts of spousal abuse (are those types of data even >>> calculated?)? >>> >>> Also, according to StatCan >>> >>> (http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=0510013&pattern=510011..0510013&tabMode=dataTable&srchLan=-1&p1=-1&p2=-1) >>> it was estimated that there were +/- 379 373 births in 2009, and if >>> that is the case, then, close to 25% of pregnancies resulted in >>> abortions. Of course the number of miscarriages were not accounted >>> for, nor the number of pregnancies and miscarriages that were >>> unreported. That seems rather high? Who does work this kind of >>> population study? >>> >>> I just think there is something off about the CIHI numbers but I do >>> not know enough about the topic to question the data. Are there >>> other, better datasets? >>> >>> Cheers >>> t >>> >>> -- >>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>> Post Doctoral Fellow >>> Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre >>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >>> http://datalibre.ca/ >>> 613-234-2805 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > -- > - > http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ > - -- - http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ - |
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More data here with methodological issues explained.
http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?catno=82-223-x&lang=eng and http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/bsolc/olc-cel/olc-cel?catno=82-223-X&chropg=1&lang=eng The info-graphic journalist, Richard Johnson pointed me to the academic at UBC who suggested he use that data set. I dropped her a note to see if there are any better datasets and if she could point me to more rigorous research. This guy (http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/about.html) is somethin' Canada data (http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/ab-canada.html) On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote: > Apologies: "UK" should have read "England and Wales" ("England and > Wales" = UK minus Scotland minus Northern Ireland minus Guernsey minus > Jersey. minus Isle of Man) > > -Glen > > On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Number: >> - USA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_statistics_in_the_United_States >> - UK: 196,082 carried out in 2011: >> http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/may/24/abortion-statistics-england-wales >> >> Canadian numbers are in the same ballpark per capita as USA, UK. >> >> More info: http://www.johnstonsarchive.net/policy/abortion/index.htm >> >> -Glenl >> >> On Tue, Dec 11, 2012 at 2:17 PM, john whelan <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> Or even are any from other countries where abortion is more difficult to >>> obtain? Given the availability of access to health services and other >>> methods of birth control in Canada the numbers seem very high. >>> >>> Cheerio John >>> >>> On 11 December 2012 13:54, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: >>>> >>>> All; >>>> >>>> The NP released this graphic >>>> >>>> http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/12/07/graphic-abortion-in-canada-almost-100000-documented-terminations-in-2009/. >>>> >>>> The numbers reported in this graphic are available for free download >>>> here - >>>> http://www.cihi.ca/cihi-ext-portal/internet/en/quick_stats/quick+stats/quick_stats_main?xQSType=Pre-formatted%20Table&xTopic=Hospital%20Care&pageNumber=5&resultCount=4&filterTypeBy=1&filterTopicBy=5&autorefresh=1 >>>> >>>> Are there any epidemiologists or demographers in this field who can >>>> check these numbers and see if a more nuanced approached can be >>>> communicated here? >>>> >>>> For instance are there any studies to point to the reporter that he >>>> should have considered? Why so many? Why so many young women between >>>> the ages of 20-24 (which he did not report)? How many pregnancies >>>> were there in 2009? How many pregnancies are the result of rape, >>>> incest, in contexts of spousal abuse (are those types of data even >>>> calculated?)? >>>> >>>> Also, according to StatCan >>>> >>>> (http://www5.statcan.gc.ca/cansim/a26?lang=eng&retrLang=eng&id=0510013&pattern=510011..0510013&tabMode=dataTable&srchLan=-1&p1=-1&p2=-1) >>>> it was estimated that there were +/- 379 373 births in 2009, and if >>>> that is the case, then, close to 25% of pregnancies resulted in >>>> abortions. Of course the number of miscarriages were not accounted >>>> for, nor the number of pregnancies and miscarriages that were >>>> unreported. That seems rather high? Who does work this kind of >>>> population study? >>>> >>>> I just think there is something off about the CIHI numbers but I do >>>> not know enough about the topic to question the data. Are there >>>> other, better datasets? >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> t >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>>> Post Doctoral Fellow >>>> Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre >>>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >>>> http://datalibre.ca/ >>>> 613-234-2805 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> - >> http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ >> - > > > > -- > - > http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ > - > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- Tracey P. Lauriault Post Doctoral Fellow Geomatics and Cartographic Research Centre https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault http://datalibre.ca/ 613-234-2805 |
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