Cost of Data - ATIP requests - StatCan & TBC

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

• What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.
• What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.
• What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.
• What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.
• How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

• Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
• I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
• Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.
• BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada
Philip Giles
Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator
R.H. Coats Building
120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B
Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6
Telephone: [phone]  
Facsimile: 613-951-3825
[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Denise Brennan
Director, Access to Information and Privacy
L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower
140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor
Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5
Telephone: [phone]  
Facsimile: 613-946-6256
[hidden email]

Cheers
Tracey
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Tracey P. Lauriault
613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault

[Glen Newton]

Tracey,

Wow! You go girl!

Sorry you ran into the data brick wall.....

> Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery
> in real terms?

Has the AG looked at cost recovery (in any way) in any of the its
reviews over the last 15 years? I don't know, but a good idea to check
out.

Many national organizations do benchmarking against other national
organizations: you might ask for any benchmarking exercises or reports
that have been done by StatsCan, especially against other national
statistical agencies that do not charge for their data.

Glen Newton
http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/

On 25 May 2010 12:22, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of
> access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more
> specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.
>
> I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have
> made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and
> the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following
> ATIP requests.
>
> Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point
> me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?
> Any other ideas would be great!
>
> Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is
> only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request
> Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government
> information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and
> you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!
>
> Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery
> in real terms?
>
> Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):
>
> Treasury Board of Canada
>
> What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected
> for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the
> census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I
> have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some
> general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.
> What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage,
> and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the
> cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.
> What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal,
> Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each,
> what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once
> published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan
> publication 1984 Cat#99-903.
> What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please
> provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were
> calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.
> How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years,
> and how did it do so? 1986-2011.
>
> Statistics Canada
>
> Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the
> Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.
> I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost
> recovery, and the cost of data.
> I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates,
> the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these
> committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the
> Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
> Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with
> federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which
> agencies and what is the nature and content of these.
> BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions,
> regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.
>
> Statistics Canada
> Philip Giles
> Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator
> R.H. Coats Building
> 120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B
> Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6
> Telephone: [phone]
> Facsimile: 613-951-3825
> [hidden email]
>
> Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
> Denise Brennan
> Director, Access to Information and Privacy
> L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower
> 140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor
> Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5
> Telephone: [phone]
> Facsimile: 613-946-6256
> [hidden email]
>
> Cheers
> Tracey
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> Tracey P. Lauriault
> 613-234-2805
> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault
>
>
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[Drew Mcpherson]

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

• What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.
• What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.
• What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.
• What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.
• How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

• Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
• I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
• Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.
• BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada
Philip Giles
Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator
R.H. Coats Building
120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B
Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6
Telephone: [phone]  
Facsimile: 613-951-3825
[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Denise Brennan
Director, Access to Information and Privacy
L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower
140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor
Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5
Telephone: [phone]  
Facsimile: 613-946-6256
[hidden email]

Cheers
Tracey
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613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault


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[Content Research]

Dear Drew,

as already communicated bilaterally to Tracey:

Even in those countries where the Treasury and not each
public data holder collects the revenues (of sale and re-use licenses
of public data), the Treasury cannot provide you a total sum
of all these revenues.

And in some countries it is even more complex,
since public institutions charge each other for data access.
So sorting out these different revenue streams from
A2A, A2B, A2C - both access and re-use - is not
done by any country.

Best,


Gerhard

At 21:12 25.05.2010, Drew Mcpherson wrote:

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.

What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.

What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.

What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.

How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.

BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada

Philip Giles

Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator

R.H. Coats Building

120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-951-3825

[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat

Denise Brennan

Director, Access to Information and Privacy

L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower

140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-946-6256

[hidden email]

Cheers

Tracey

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613-234-2805

https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault

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[Daniel Haran]

So, basically it would be hard to do, so they're not doing it?

I thought it mostly had to do with how bloody embarrassing the results might be.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Content Research <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Drew,

as already communicated bilaterally to Tracey:

Even in those countries where the Treasury and not each
public data holder collects the revenues (of sale and re-use licenses
of public data), the Treasury cannot provide you a total sum
of all these revenues.

And in some countries it is even more complex,
since public institutions charge each other for data access.
So sorting out these different revenue streams from
A2A, A2B, A2C - both access and re-use - is not
done by any country.

Best,


Gerhard

At 21:12 25.05.2010, Drew Mcpherson wrote:

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.

What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.

What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.

What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.

How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.

BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada

Philip Giles

Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator

R.H. Coats Building

120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-951-3825

[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat

Denise Brennan

Director, Access to Information and Privacy

L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower

140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-946-6256

[hidden email]

Cheers

Tracey

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613-234-2805

https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

I'll keep you posted.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Drew Mcpherson <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

• What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.
• What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.
• What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.
• What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.
• How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

• Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
• I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.
• Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.
• BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada
Philip Giles
Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator
R.H. Coats Building
120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B
Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6
Telephone: [phone]  
Facsimile: 613-951-3825
[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Denise Brennan
Director, Access to Information and Privacy
L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower
140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor
Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5
Telephone: [phone]  
Facsimile: 613-946-6256
[hidden email]

Cheers
Tracey
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613-234-2805
https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

it is a sordid state of affairs daniel!

Let see what I get back.  Based on your experience, do you think I should ask for anything else?

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote:

So, basically it would be hard to do, so they're not doing it?

I thought it mostly had to do with how bloody embarrassing the results might be.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Content Research <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Drew,

as already communicated bilaterally to Tracey:

Even in those countries where the Treasury and not each
public data holder collects the revenues (of sale and re-use licenses
of public data), the Treasury cannot provide you a total sum
of all these revenues.

And in some countries it is even more complex,
since public institutions charge each other for data access.
So sorting out these different revenue streams from
A2A, A2B, A2C - both access and re-use - is not
done by any country.

Best,


Gerhard

At 21:12 25.05.2010, Drew Mcpherson wrote:

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.

What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.

What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.

What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.

How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.

BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada

Philip Giles

Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator

R.H. Coats Building

120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-951-3825

[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat

Denise Brennan

Director, Access to Information and Privacy

L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower

140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-946-6256

[hidden email]

Cheers

Tracey

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Gerhard;

Canada may be different, so lets be ideal optimists.  Also, each department has to account its revenue and costs and these may be bundeled under headings, in the case of the Census it will be grouped with social statistics programs.

Also, the Census must get approval from Cabinet and the Treasury and must submit a budget for it and costs so it too is tracked.  I have accessed previous budgets for the Census and they are pretty detailed as it is a self contained activity.  What might not be tracked is the revenue generated by its sale as that occurs in a different office.  But surely there is accounting as the statcan budget is tight and all must be justified.

So, lets not be nay sayers just yet.

I would still love to hear from anyone about my requests and if i missed anything.

cheers
t

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Content Research <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Drew,

as already communicated bilaterally to Tracey:

Even in those countries where the Treasury and not each
public data holder collects the revenues (of sale and re-use licenses
of public data), the Treasury cannot provide you a total sum
of all these revenues.

And in some countries it is even more complex,
since public institutions charge each other for data access.
So sorting out these different revenue streams from
A2A, A2B, A2C - both access and re-use - is not
done by any country.

Best,


Gerhard

At 21:12 25.05.2010, Drew Mcpherson wrote:

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.

What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.

What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.

What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.

How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.

BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada

Philip Giles

Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator

R.H. Coats Building

120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-951-3825

[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat

Denise Brennan

Director, Access to Information and Privacy

L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower

140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-946-6256

[hidden email]

Cheers

Tracey

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[Drew Mcpherson]

Hi Tracey,

I looked over your stated requests in more detail and indeed notice the complexity therein.  These are the kinds of questions that large businesses need to know the answers to in order to be successful.  Government seems not to be worried about "going out of business", and so I can definitely see that they wouldn't have this stuff at their fingertips.  If this is the case (as seems likely, and was pointed out by another list member), then the information you're asking for would require that they perform an information gathering and summary operation that could take years to complete.  It's not likely to cost 5 bucks.  Especially considering the effort I had to go through to consolidate the mere travel and hospitality budget, which is probably of a much higher level of organization because of the proactive disclosure mandate.

Therefore, I'm quite curious to hear the response you get.

Cheers,
Drew Mcpherson

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 5:42 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Gerhard;

Canada may be different, so lets be ideal optimists.  Also, each department has to account its revenue and costs and these may be bundeled under headings, in the case of the Census it will be grouped with social statistics programs.

Also, the Census must get approval from Cabinet and the Treasury and must submit a budget for it and costs so it too is tracked.  I have accessed previous budgets for the Census and they are pretty detailed as it is a self contained activity.  What might not be tracked is the revenue generated by its sale as that occurs in a different office.  But surely there is accounting as the statcan budget is tight and all must be justified.

So, lets not be nay sayers just yet.

I would still love to hear from anyone about my requests and if i missed anything.

cheers
t

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Content Research <[hidden email]> wrote:

Dear Drew,

as already communicated bilaterally to Tracey:

Even in those countries where the Treasury and not each
public data holder collects the revenues (of sale and re-use licenses
of public data), the Treasury cannot provide you a total sum
of all these revenues.

And in some countries it is even more complex,
since public institutions charge each other for data access.
So sorting out these different revenue streams from
A2A, A2B, A2C - both access and re-use - is not
done by any country.

Best,


Gerhard

At 21:12 25.05.2010, Drew Mcpherson wrote:

Hi Tracey,

The base fee for ATIP / FOI requests is $5 bucks true, but aren't there incidentals such as a person's time, photocopying expenses, etc that they hit you with once they assess how complex the request is?  I'd be curious to hear about this as it may become relevant to one of my projects.

Thanks,
Drew Mcpherson


On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

Greetings all;

As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.

I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following ATIP requests. 

Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?  Any other ideas would be great!

Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!

Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery in real terms?

Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):

Treasury Board of Canada

What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some general references to the cost of the Census per household for later years.

What is the overhead cost incurred by Statistics Canada to market, manage, and sell Census data? Reports discuss cost recovery but do not include the cost accounting to do so nor the cost of recovering those costs.

What are the cost share agreements between StatCan and other Federal, Provincial and Territorial governments? What are the amounts between each, what are the agreements and what do they contain.  This information was once published along with cost share amounts and formulas, see StatCan publication 1984 Cat#99-903.

What are the revenues generated by StatCan's selling of the Census? Please provide revenue for the following years and a breakdown as to how those were calculated, 1981, 06, 91, 96, 01, 06 and proposed for 2011.

How much revenue has Statistics Canada collected for the following years, and how did it do so? 1986-2011.

Statistics Canada

Agendas, decision, papers and schedules of meetings of the Federal-Provincial-Territorial Consultative Council on Statistical Policy.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

I am seeking the list of Professional Advisory Committees, their mandates, the frequency of their meetings and generally who are the members of these committees.  I am particularly interested in matters pertaining to the Census, cost recovery, and the cost of data.

Please provide the content and nature of the Bilateral relationships with federal departments.  Are there any formal agreements? And if so with which agencies and what is the nature and content of these.

BEING PROCESSED - I ask about the members, agendas, minutes, decisions, regarding the National Statistical Council of Canada.

Statistics Canada

Philip Giles

Access to Information and Privacy Coordinator

R.H. Coats Building

120 Parkdale Avenue, 25th Floor, Section B

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0T6

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-951-3825

[hidden email]

Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat

Denise Brennan

Director, Access to Information and Privacy

L'Esplanade Laurier, East Tower

140 O'Connor Street, 8th Floor

Ottawa, Ontario  K1A 0R5

Telephone: [phone]  

Facsimile: 613-946-6256

[hidden email]

Cheers

Tracey

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[David Akin]

Good luck with this, Tracey ---

Some thoughts:

1. Try comparative costs of data with other federal governments. Eight
or nine years ago, the cost of "postal code walk" level census data
from StatsCan was in the thousands of dollars. The same census data
from the U.S. govt was less than 50 bucks.

2. StatsCan, in particular, has come under heavy scrutiny by the
current Conservative government in the belief that the money provided
to it goes to support the collection of data which might be used by
NGOs and others to support calls for government programs which may be
at odds with the government's agenda. In other words: The government
can partially silence critics by simply cutting off StatsCan research
money. This is a working theory, I should caution, that has not yet
been tested by me or my press gallery colleagues. Still, it may be
worth looking at the funding StatsCan has had over the last few years
and see where adjustments have been made under the Tories.



On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault
<[hidden email]> wrote:

> Greetings all;
>
> As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of
> access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more
> specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.
>
> I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have
> made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and
> the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following
> ATIP requests.
>
> Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point
> me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?
> Any other ideas would be great!
>
> Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is
> only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request
> Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government
> information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and
> you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!
>
> Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery
> in real terms?
>
> Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):
>
> Treasury Board of Canada
>
> What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected
> for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the
> census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I
> have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Thanks David;

StatCan is underfunded and that is why they cost recover.  They keep getting their budgets slashed and they have not been able to catch up since the mid 80s when the Mulroney Tories cut their budget by $100 000 000.  Also, the government likes the revenue.  In their last strategic review StatCan offered efficiencies and the savings incurred would be used to disseminate much more data for free.  The current Harper Tories accepted the efficiencies and told then to continue selling their data.

I would not advocate for cuts to StatCan as they are pretty tightly & efficiently managed, I would however lobby Treasury Board to take a stance on Open Data and when they do so, ensure that agencies like StatCan are allocated the resources they would normally cost recover as part of their core funding so they can open their data without a huge cut in resources.

While StatCan has a cost recovery culture that would be hard to shake, many who work there would be amenable to more sharing if they knew they had the proper resources to do so.

Cheers
t

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, David Akin <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good luck with this, Tracey ---

Some thoughts:

1. Try comparative costs of data with other federal governments. Eight
or nine years ago, the cost of "postal code walk" level census data
from StatsCan was in the thousands of dollars. The same census data
from the U.S. govt was less than 50 bucks.

2. StatsCan, in particular, has come under heavy scrutiny by the
current Conservative government in the belief that the money provided
to it goes to support the collection of data which might be used by
NGOs and others to support calls for government programs which may be
at odds with the government's agenda. In other words: The government
can partially silence critics by simply cutting off StatsCan research
money. This is a working theory, I should caution, that has not yet
been tested by me or my press gallery colleagues. Still, it may be
worth looking at the funding StatsCan has had over the last few years
and see where adjustments have been made under the Tories.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of
> access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more
> specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.
>
> I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have
> made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and
> the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following
> ATIP requests.
>
> Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point
> me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?
> Any other ideas would be great!
>
> Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is
> only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request
> Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government
> information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and
> you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!
>
> Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery
> in real terms?
>
> Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):
>
> Treasury Board of Canada
>
> What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected
> for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the
> census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I
> have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

how prescient david!

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:09 PM, David Akin <[hidden email]> wrote:

Good luck with this, Tracey ---

Some thoughts:

1. Try comparative costs of data with other federal governments. Eight
or nine years ago, the cost of "postal code walk" level census data
from StatsCan was in the thousands of dollars. The same census data
from the U.S. govt was less than 50 bucks.

2. StatsCan, in particular, has come under heavy scrutiny by the
current Conservative government in the belief that the money provided
to it goes to support the collection of data which might be used by
NGOs and others to support calls for government programs which may be
at odds with the government's agenda. In other words: The government
can partially silence critics by simply cutting off StatsCan research
money. This is a working theory, I should caution, that has not yet
been tested by me or my press gallery colleagues. Still, it may be
worth looking at the funding StatsCan has had over the last few years
and see where adjustments have been made under the Tories.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Greetings all;
>
> As some of you may know, I am doing my PhD dissertation on the topic of
> access to data in Canada and I am investigating NRCan and StatCan and more
> specifically geodata from the former and the census for the latter.
>
> I have met with many excellent and very dedicated officials at StatCan, have
> made numerous calls, but alas have not been able to crack the revenue and
> the cost of generating that revenue nut.  So today I have sent the following
> ATIP requests.
>
> Can any of you think of anything else I should/could be asking for or point
> me to where I might find some of that information that would be awesome?
> Any other ideas would be great!
>
> Also, you might also want to submit the same or a similar request - it is
> only 5 bucks!  (Here is the link to the forms Access to Information Request
> Form (TBC/CTC 350-57) – This form is used for public requests for government
> information. Complete steps 1 through 4 to get the information you need and
> you have the addresse below).  The more who ask the merrier I figure!
>
> Should we be asking the auditor general to review the cost of cost recovery
> in real terms?
>
> Here are the requests (Addresses are below all):
>
> Treasury Board of Canada
>
> What is the cost of the Censuses of 1981, 86, 91, 96, 01, 06 and projected
> for 2010?  I would like the breakdown of those costs.  The budgets for the
> census used to be reported in the StatCan Administrative Census Reports.  I
> have found budgets and actual costs for 1951, 56, 66 and 71 and I found some

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