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Some on the list may want to consider this! If you do submit, can you share with the list? There are lots of issues related to data, and my guess is crown copyright will not disappear any time soon, but there are some work arounds such as (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp). Digital Copyright Canada has some resources to help out here - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/. I have contacted them to find out when the deadline is!
Here are the questions and this is where you go to answer them - http://copyright.econsultation.ca/topics-sujets/show-montrer/18 Questions
-- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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On Wed, 26 Aug 2009, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > Some on the list may want to consider this! If you do submit, can you share > with the list? There are lots of issues related to data, and my guess is > crown copyright will not disappear any time soon, but there are some work > arounds such as (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp). Digital > Copyright Canada has some resources to help out here - > http://www.digital-copyright.ca/. I have contacted them to find out when > the deadline is! There are 3 different parts to the consultation: a) There are closed door round tables (invitation only, and not surprisingly dominated by the folks who have dominated copyright for decades) and two town Halls that were open to everyone but either already happened (Montreal on July 30) or is full (Toronto on August 27) for in-person (online still may be possible). b) There is a "Slashdot Style" discussion forum set up as comments under 5 different "topic" based divisions (the ones Tracey mentions). You can see them on the left side of http://copyright.econsultation.ca This will be summarized by pollster Nik Nanos as input to the consultation. c) The most important is the formal written submissions. You submit by sending in email to [hidden email] . You can read all the submissions posted via http://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/008.nsf/eng/h_00001.html . These two links are provided on the right-side of http://copyright.econsultation.ca The consultations will run until Sunday, September 13, 2009, so make sure your contributions are submitted before then. For the curious, my draft submission is at http://flora.ca/copyright2009 - Feedback welcome as I haven't submitted yet. Please grab anything you want from my submission towards your own. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/ http://KillBillC61.ca "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry control over my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" |
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Hello from Italy!
The deadline for submission is sept 13th through the consultation website. I am working on th eposition paper for libraries, I am proposing some interesting language for open access to gvmt data & documents... I encourage individuals and representatives from organisations to submit their own thoughts and position papers to the copyright website.... Cheers, Olivier www.culturelibre.ca On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:14:26 -0400, "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]> wrote: > Some on the list may want to consider this! If you do submit, can you > share > with the list? There are lots of issues related to data, and my guess is > crown copyright will not disappear any time soon, but there are some work > arounds such as (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp). Digital > Copyright Canada has some resources to help out here - > http://www.digital-copyright.ca/. I have contacted them to find out when > the deadline is! > > Here are the questions and this is where you go to answer them - > http://copyright.econsultation.ca/topics-sujets/show-montrer/18 > > *Questions* > > 1. > > How do Canada’s copyright laws affect you? How should existing laws > modernized? > 2. > > Based on Canadian values and interests, how should copyright changes be > made in order to withstand the test of time > 3. > > What sorts of copyright changes do you believe would best foster > innovation and creativity in Canada? > 4. > > What sorts of copyright changes do you believe would best foster > competition and investment in Canada? > 5. > > What kinds of changes would best position Canada as a leader in the > global, digital economy? |
UK companies trying to 'Free the Postal Code"
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With all the copyright stuff going on it is fitting to talk about Postal Codes and the control Canada Post has over them. In the UK, a couple of companies are trying to 'Free Postalcode Data' http://ernestmarples.com/ and there is also http://www.freethepostcode.org/ read the full article at TechCrunch.... http://uk.techcrunch.com/2009/08/29/ernestmarplescom-serves-up-free-postcode-data-just-dont-tell-royal-mail/#comment-256766 Sandy From: Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:14:26 AM Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] Copyright Consultation Some on the list may want to consider this! If you do submit, can you share with the list? There are lots of issues related to data, and my guess is crown copyright will not disappear any time soon, but there are some work arounds such as (http://www.geobase.ca/geobase/en/licence.jsp). Digital Copyright Canada has some resources to help out here - http://www.digital-copyright.ca/. I have contacted them to find out when the deadline is! Here are the questions and this is where you go to answer them - http://copyright.econsultation.ca/topics-sujets/show-montrer/18 Questions
-- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2009, Sandy Ward wrote: > With all the copyright stuff going on it is fitting to talk about Postal > Codes and the control Canada Post has over them. I'm wondering if anyone has got anywhere with discussing this with Canada Post. With my own investigations for a database to translate postal codes to electoral districts I started with Elections Canada who said that they would not compete with Statistics Canada who sold the data. Statistics Canada said the data is part of their data liberation for Schools/etc, but that NGO/etc would have to pay large fees. http://www.digital-copyright.ca/search/node/PCFRF We could derive the same data by taking electoral district maps which are already publicly available http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/option/select.do?id=1169 , and correlate them with postal code maps if they were made available. I could immagine the PostGIS query to do this (New things to learn), but don't have the postal code vector file. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/ http://KillBillC61.ca "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry control over my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" |
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On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Russell McOrmond<[hidden email]> wrote:
> I'm wondering if anyone has got anywhere with discussing this with > Canada Post. .... > We could derive the same data by taking electoral district maps which > are already publicly available > http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/geogratis/en/option/select.do?id=1169 , and > correlate them with postal code maps if they were made available. I could > immagine the PostGIS query to do this (New things to learn), but don't > have the postal code vector file. Canada Post has an exclusive, multi-year deal with a big GIS co (ESRI, if I recall), so they wouldn't let you create derivatives from them. I got shapefiles for the forward sortation areas, and it was obvious from the results that they didn't match the Stats Can data. This whole thing's crazy. Cheers, d. PS: if anyone wants an up to date postal code => electoral district data, let me know and I'll re-run my scripts. |
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Canada Post owns the Postal Code file & share use rights with StatsCan and Elections Can. Seems like Canada Post and Statistics Canada and Elections Canada have an interoperability issue on many levels.
a) The Postal Code Vector and dbase files were designed for Canada posts business and not necessarily for sharing or aligning with other Government of Canada Files b) Elections Canada started using the Canada Post files as it was an easy infrastructure to connect electorate with FED boundaries. c) Statistics Canada was using the postal code file as part of its census form dissemination and etc. For the postal code file to line up with the census files Canada Post would need a business case to do adjust its file accordingly. And the reverse is true for StatsCan and Elections Can. None can argue the business case and so we have the institutional triangle. In addition, I discovered that GeoBase, disseminates GPS accurate framework data. For The postal code vector file and some StatsCan files to meet the cold standard of GeoBase, they would have to have their files also GPS accurate. Well, neither has a business case for doing that as the files as they are fit their particular use cases and mandates. So, we do not have these considered as framework datasets. The StatsCan street network file on the other hand, was built in collaboration between Provinces and Territories and are GPS accurate, and therefore could be given away since you cannot sell what you built with the good will of others. So this file made its way into geobase. I do not like this nonsense any better than you do, as it stiffles collaborative work. But how do we get these institutions to develope a business case to work together, get their data to line up and to share them? We could argue that Canada Post is a government of Canada entity - crown corporation?... The question then is to wonder who these institutions work for? They are public but their mandates are to deliver the mail, deliver the census and deliver the elections but not to deliver the data tothe public! where does the public fit into this equation? Cheers t On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote:
-- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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Tracey: your comments about the agencies not being able to create a business case is well said. My comment would be, even if the boundries don't match up, it the Postal Code (not FSA) bounds were free and public we could do some amazing stuff with them. Many postal codes would completely exist with in a Provincial or Federal Election boundries. I wondering, if a bunch of people crowd sourced postal code bounds would that be able to stay public or would Canada Post shut it down? Talk soon, Sandy From: Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 3:54:35 PM Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] UK companies trying to 'Free the Postal Code" Canada Post owns the Postal Code file & share use rights with StatsCan and Elections Can. Seems like Canada Post and Statistics Canada and Elections Canada have an interoperability issue on many levels. a) The Postal Code Vector and dbase files were designed for Canada posts business and not necessarily for sharing or aligning with other Government of Canada Files b) Elections Canada started using the Canada Post files as it was an easy infrastructure to connect electorate with FED boundaries. c) Statistics Canada was using the postal code file as part of its census form dissemination and etc. For the postal code file to line up with the census files Canada Post would need a business case to do adjust its file accordingly. And the reverse is true for StatsCan and Elections Can. None can argue the business case and so we have the institutional triangle. In addition, I discovered that GeoBase, disseminates GPS accurate framework data. For The postal code vector file and some StatsCan files to meet the cold standard of GeoBase, they would have to have their files also GPS accurate. Well, neither has a business case for doing that as the files as they are fit their particular use cases and mandates. So, we do not have these considered as framework datasets. The StatsCan street network file on the other hand, was built in collaboration between Provinces and Territories and are GPS accurate, and therefore could be given away since you cannot sell what you built with the good will of others. So this file made its way into geobase. I do not like this nonsense any better than you do, as it stiffles collaborative work. But how do we get these institutions to develope a business case to work together, get their data to line up and to share them? We could argue that Canada Post is a government of Canada entity - crown corporation?... The question then is to wonder who these institutions work for? They are public but their mandates are to deliver the mail, deliver the census and deliver the elections but not to deliver the data tothe public! where does the public fit into this equation? Cheers t On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 2:36 PM, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote:
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On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Sandy Ward<[hidden email]> wrote:
> I wondering, if a bunch of people crowd sourced postal code bounds would > that be able to stay public or would Canada Post shut it down? There are nearly 800k postal codes, and some change every other month. Not saying it's impossible, but it would a huge task. d. |
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On Wed, 2 Sep 2009, Sandy Ward wrote:
> I wondering, if a bunch of people crowd sourced postal code bounds would > that be able to stay public or would Canada Post shut it down? A related question is how often these change. It would be interesting if this data could end up in something like OpenStreetMap (which has far more than just streets in it). -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/ http://KillBillC61.ca "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry control over my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" |
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Yes, it would be difficult but not impossible and HomeZilla would be willing to hire a student to get started. But, that would only work if we could openly share the data once it was completed. Russel: I would love to know how many Postal Codes change each month as well. Sandy From: Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> Sent: Wednesday, September 2, 2009 1:04:42 PM Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] UK companies trying to 'Free the Postal Code" On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 1:02 PM, Sandy Ward<[hidden email]> wrote: > I wondering, if a bunch of people crowd sourced postal code bounds would > that be able to stay public or would Canada Post shut it down? There are nearly 800k postal codes, and some change every other month. Not saying it's impossible, but it would a huge task. d. _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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