what tag should we use?
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for delicious / flickr / etc?
coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage could make it's way in. Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". |
Re: what tag should we use?
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Michael Lenczner wrote: >for delicious / flickr / etc? > > >coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. > >civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >could make it's way in. > >Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". > >_______________________________________________ >CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >[hidden email] >http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > > > |
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Stef Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: coacid Michael Lenczner wrote:for delicious / flickr / etc? coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage could make it's way in. Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca_______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca |
Re: what tag should we use?
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Stephane Guidoin wrote: > I would have said that civicacc or civacc was correct (at least not > used for the moment in del.icio.us for example), but we can take > coacid also. > > Stef > > Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > >>coacid >> >>Michael Lenczner wrote: >> >> >> >>>for delicious / flickr / etc? >>> >>> >>>coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. >>> >>>civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >>>could make it's way in. >>> >>>Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>[hidden email] >>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >[hidden email] >http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > > |
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My preference is for civicacc as Stephane suggests, slightly more
memorable. Mostly though it's important that we settle on one, and only one, tag. What exactly the tag is isn't so important. Patrick Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > both? > > Stephane Guidoin wrote: > > >>I would have said that civicacc or civacc was correct (at least not >>used for the moment in del.icio.us for example), but we can take >>coacid also. >> >>Stef >> >>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >> >> >>>coacid >>> >>>Michael Lenczner wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>for delicious / flickr / etc? >>>> >>>> >>>>coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. >>>> >>>>civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >>>>could make it's way in. >>>> >>>>Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>[hidden email] >>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>[hidden email] >>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> >>> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > |
Re: what tag should we use?
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OK!
Just so I understand, and because i'm a little green on all this, can you explain the significance (not how to!) of tagging, and why is the choice of only one important? Patrick Dinnen wrote: >My preference is for civicacc as Stephane suggests, slightly more >memorable. Mostly though it's important that we settle on one, and only >one, tag. What exactly the tag is isn't so important. > >Patrick > >Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > >>both? >> >>Stephane Guidoin wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>I would have said that civicacc or civacc was correct (at least not >>>used for the moment in del.icio.us for example), but we can take >>>coacid also. >>> >>>Stef >>> >>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>coacid >>>> >>>>Michael Lenczner wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>for delicious / flickr / etc? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. >>>>> >>>>>civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >>>>>could make it's way in. >>>>> >>>>>Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>[hidden email] >>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>[hidden email] >>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >[hidden email] >http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > > > |
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Well, I'm no folksonomist but... I guess the benefit of having a
standard tag for stuff related to the group is that it makes that stuff much easier to find. At its simplest a tag is a single word that is manually attached to data on various platforms that support tagging (blogs, flickr, del.icio.us etc) to indicate that the information relates to a specific topic (in this case COACID). The benefit of settling on a single tag to use for the group is that it allows people to easily find all the material that was tagged with the intention of including it in that group (stuff relevant to COACID). If different people use different tags to mean the same thing then a lot of the benefits of simplicity and findability are lost. Not sure if I'm explaining this well, but perhaps that helps. Patrick Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > OK! > > Just so I understand, and because i'm a little green on all this, can > you explain the significance (not how to!) of tagging, and why is the > choice of only one important? > > > Patrick Dinnen wrote: > > >>My preference is for civicacc as Stephane suggests, slightly more >>memorable. Mostly though it's important that we settle on one, and only >>one, tag. What exactly the tag is isn't so important. >> >>Patrick >> >>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >> >> >> >>>both? >>> >>>Stephane Guidoin wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>I would have said that civicacc or civacc was correct (at least not >>>>used for the moment in del.icio.us for example), but we can take >>>>coacid also. >>>> >>>>Stef >>>> >>>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>coacid >>>>> >>>>>Michael Lenczner wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>for delicious / flickr / etc? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. >>>>>> >>>>>>civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >>>>>>could make it's way in. >>>>>> >>>>>>Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>[hidden email] >>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>[hidden email] >>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > |
Re: what tag should we use?
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very nice!
ok! i was on the same page, i sometimes naively double/triple tag digital objects to enable finding them in multiple ways. Would that be helpful here? I'm thinking of triangulation, when trying to precicely define a point using gps or to validate a story on indymedia. Could that be applied in this context? Or are there other concepts i am missing, such as - are TAGs registered in a list somewhere with additional metadata that stakes a name claim etc.? Patrick Dinnen wrote: >Well, I'm no folksonomist but... I guess the benefit of having a >standard tag for stuff related to the group is that it makes that stuff >much easier to find. > >At its simplest a tag is a single word that is manually attached to data >on various platforms that support tagging (blogs, flickr, del.icio.us >etc) to indicate that the information relates to a specific topic (in >this case COACID). The benefit of settling on a single tag to use for >the group is that it allows people to easily find all the material that >was tagged with the intention of including it in that group (stuff >relevant to COACID). If different people use different tags to mean the >same thing then a lot of the benefits of simplicity and findability are >lost. > >Not sure if I'm explaining this well, but perhaps that helps. > >Patrick > >Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > >>OK! >> >>Just so I understand, and because i'm a little green on all this, can >>you explain the significance (not how to!) of tagging, and why is the >>choice of only one important? >> >> >>Patrick Dinnen wrote: >> >> >> >> >>>My preference is for civicacc as Stephane suggests, slightly more >>>memorable. Mostly though it's important that we settle on one, and only >>>one, tag. What exactly the tag is isn't so important. >>> >>>Patrick >>> >>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>both? >>>> >>>>Stephane Guidoin wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>I would have said that civicacc or civacc was correct (at least not >>>>>used for the moment in del.icio.us for example), but we can take >>>>>coacid also. >>>>> >>>>>Stef >>>>> >>>>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>coacid >>>>>> >>>>>>Michael Lenczner wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>for delicious / flickr / etc? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >>>>>>>could make it's way in. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>[hidden email] >>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>[hidden email] >>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> >> > >_______________________________________________ >CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >[hidden email] >http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > > > |
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I don't think that multiple tagging is neccesariyl naive, in fact if
people are already using multiple tags for the same meaning then it makes sense, as it helps people searching using the different tags. There isn't any formal central list of what tags whould be used for a topic that I know of, would run rather against the informal grain of tagging I suspect. I think Michael's point in the original post was that if we come up with a semi-official (or at least agreed upon) tag for the group right at the start then we hopefully avoid that splintering, so you don't have to tag using multiple variations on the same thing. I know it's common for events and conferences now to announce 'this is the tag'. Although there are multiple variations that make just as much sense, the power of tagging diminishes as the terms used splinter. Or, in a less round about way, there isn't much (if any benefit) to using different tags for the same thing, so if we can settle on one that's a good thing. I see that the tag COACID already has one hit on del.icio.us, so how about going with early movers advantage and make that the tag? Patrick Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > very nice! > ok! > i was on the same page, i sometimes naively double/triple tag digital > objects to enable finding them in multiple ways. Would that be helpful > here? I'm thinking of triangulation, when trying to precicely define a > point using gps or to validate a story on indymedia. Could that be > applied in this context? Or are there other concepts i am missing, such > as - are TAGs registered in a list somewhere with additional metadata > that stakes a name claim etc.? > > Patrick Dinnen wrote: > > >>Well, I'm no folksonomist but... I guess the benefit of having a >>standard tag for stuff related to the group is that it makes that stuff >>much easier to find. >> >>At its simplest a tag is a single word that is manually attached to data >>on various platforms that support tagging (blogs, flickr, del.icio.us >>etc) to indicate that the information relates to a specific topic (in >>this case COACID). The benefit of settling on a single tag to use for >>the group is that it allows people to easily find all the material that >>was tagged with the intention of including it in that group (stuff >>relevant to COACID). If different people use different tags to mean the >>same thing then a lot of the benefits of simplicity and findability are >>lost. >> >>Not sure if I'm explaining this well, but perhaps that helps. >> >>Patrick >> >>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >> >> >> >>>OK! >>> >>>Just so I understand, and because i'm a little green on all this, can >>>you explain the significance (not how to!) of tagging, and why is the >>>choice of only one important? >>> >>> >>>Patrick Dinnen wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>My preference is for civicacc as Stephane suggests, slightly more >>>>memorable. Mostly though it's important that we settle on one, and only >>>>one, tag. What exactly the tag is isn't so important. >>>> >>>>Patrick >>>> >>>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>both? >>>>> >>>>>Stephane Guidoin wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I would have said that civicacc or civacc was correct (at least not >>>>>>used for the moment in del.icio.us for example), but we can take >>>>>>coacid also. >>>>>> >>>>>>Stef >>>>>> >>>>>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>coacid >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Michael Lenczner wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>for delicious / flickr / etc? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>coacid is a bit hard to remember and it's in english, but it is very unique. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>civacc is easier, but less unique and so a larger chance that garbage >>>>>>>>could make it's way in. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Unless anyone thinks otherwise i'm going to suggest that we go with "coacid". >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>>[hidden email] >>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>[hidden email] >>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>[hidden email] >>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> >>> >>> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>[hidden email] >>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > |
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Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
> very nice! > ok! > i was on the same page, i sometimes naively double/triple tag digital > objects to enable finding them in multiple ways. Would that be helpful > here? I'm thinking of triangulation, when trying to precicely define a > point using gps or to validate a story on indymedia. Could that be > applied in this context? Or are there other concepts i am missing, such > as - are TAGs registered in a list somewhere with additional metadata > that stakes a name claim etc.? I like your triangulation analogy :) What matters most if you're going to do that is to have different coordinates mapped, and not map the same point using various coordinates system. I mean, if you want to triangulate, you need different terms illustrating different facets, and not just synonyms. This is why we should preferably pick between civacc and coacid, since they're synonyms - if I understood correctly. |
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got it!
Robin Millette wrote: >Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > >>very nice! >>ok! >>i was on the same page, i sometimes naively double/triple tag digital >>objects to enable finding them in multiple ways. Would that be helpful >>here? I'm thinking of triangulation, when trying to precicely define a >>point using gps or to validate a story on indymedia. Could that be >>applied in this context? Or are there other concepts i am missing, such >>as - are TAGs registered in a list somewhere with additional metadata >>that stakes a name claim etc.? >> >> > >I like your triangulation analogy :) > >What matters most if you're going to do that is to have different >coordinates mapped, and not map the same point using various coordinates >system. I mean, if you want to triangulate, you need different terms >illustrating different facets, and not just synonyms. > >This is why we should preferably pick between civacc and coacid, since >they're synonyms - if I understood correctly. > >_______________________________________________ >CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >[hidden email] >http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > > > |
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