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could you say that list submissions/messages fall into several knowable categories? news is often shared through the list, e.g. a dataset has been released or "said thing" happened in "said sector/discipline/region". people also react to developments in the geo-political realms. they react to stories in the media and share opinion. therefore, people generally share their opinion and the chain (reaction) cannot be predicted. sometimes even sharing a news item will spark a debate or string of conversation spanning several emails by several people. i'm suggesting that we can fairly easily know the difference between news or "posts which seek to apprise others of what's happening" and those posts that have more of us in them and which stem from critical thinking. so what if we shared news and worldly developments a little more widely? of course everyone is free to share whatever they wish beyond the list. but isn't the centralized nature (the "hub" aspect of the list) what we value? so. would others value the"centrality of kick-ass news through other means of participation? how might someone participate and benefit from Civic Access though not subscribed? wondering what role the current web presence plays and how it's balanced with the culture and expectations/norms of those who've made this resource rich.
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I'm just wondering if the admin of this mailing list wants to publish the contents of this discussion onto Gmain? (all email addresses 'should' automatically get hidden) Once it gets registered, it will then allow for RSS feedreaders to search and find. I dont think any passwords are needed, it's just a simple 'ok' to register it. Thanks, Sam ps. I do Re-tweet some news articles, and spread the word via Posterous.com blogger so it gets to more people globally that i'm connected to :) On 12/15/10, Morgen Peers <[hidden email]> wrote: > could you say that list submissions/messages fall into several knowable > categories? news is often shared through the list, e.g. a dataset has been > released or "said thing" happened in "said sector/discipline/region". people > also react to developments in the geo-political realms. they react to > stories in the media and share opinion. therefore, people generally share > their opinion and the chain (reaction) cannot be predicted. sometimes even > sharing a news item will spark a debate or string of conversation spanning > several emails by several people. i'm suggesting that we can fairly easily > know the difference between news or "posts which seek to apprise others of > what's happening" and those posts that have more of us in them and which > stem from critical thinking. so what if we shared news and worldly > developments a little more widely? of course everyone is free to share > whatever they wish beyond the list. but isn't the centralized nature (the > "hub" aspect of the list) what we value? so. would others value > the"centrality of kick-ass news through other means of participation? how > might someone participate and benefit from Civic Access though not > subscribed? wondering what role the current web presence plays and how it's > balanced with the culture and expectations/norms of those who've made this > resource rich. > > morgen > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:09 PM, <[hidden email] >> wrote: > >> Send CivicAccess-discuss mailing list submissions to >> [hidden email] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [hidden email] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [hidden email] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CivicAccess-discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. US: Natural Earth Data (Tracey P. Lauriault) >> 2. NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada >> (Tracey P. Lauriault) >> 3. Re: NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada (Glen Newton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:08:05 -0500 >> From: "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]> >> To: CCA List <[hidden email]>, CAGLIST <[hidden email]>, >> civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] US: Natural Earth Data >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> http://www.naturalearthdata.com/ >> <http://www.naturalearthdata.com/> >> >> Natural Earth is a public domain map dataset available at 1:10m, 1:50m, >> and >> 1:110 million scales. Featuring tightly integrated vector and raster data, >> with Natural Earth you can make a variety of visually pleasing, >> well-crafted >> maps with cartography or GIS software. >> Natural Earth was built through a collaboration of many >> volunteers<http://www.naturalearthdata.com/about/contributors/> and >> is supported byNACIS <http://www.nacis.org/> (North American Cartographic >> Information Society), and is free for use in any type of project (see our >> Terms >> of Use <http://www.naturalearthdata.com/about/terms-of-use/> page for more >> information). >> -- >> Tracey P. Lauriault >> 613-234-2805 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.pwd.ca/pipermail/civicaccess-discuss/attachments/20101215/f26e8b8c/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:31:27 -0500 >> From: "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]> >> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency >> for Canada >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> fyi - this is very cool! Glen, can help me better understand this if you >> know more about it and why it is significant. I know it is as I have been >> in enough linked data, semantic web and super computer circles to have >> heard >> the concept discussed, and therefore know it is really important but am >> unable to translate my hunch into words. >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:50:59 -0500 >> From: NRC-CISTI Clients - Clients de l'ICIST-CNRC >> <> >> Subject: NRC-CISTI's Update on DataCite Canada | Le point sur >> DataCite Canada >> de l'ICIST-CNRC >> To: "'[hidden email]'" >> *December 15, 2010* >> Update on NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada >> >> *NRC-CISTI establishes DataCite Canada web presence >> ** >> Ottawa, ON (December 15, 2010) ? As >> announced< >> http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/news/cisti/2010/nrc-cisti-datacite.html >> >earlier >> this fall, NRC?s Canada >> Institute for Scientific and Technical Information >> (NRC-CISTI)<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cisti/index.html>is >> in the process of establishing a central research dataset registration >> service for Canada. >> >> In an initial step, NRC-CISTI has created a series of DataCite >> Canada< >> http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/cisti/datacite-canada/index.html >> >web >> pages. The intent of these pages is to provide an overview of the >> initiative and answer basic questions about how the research data >> registration service will work. The pages will be regularly updated with >> the >> latest information as it becomes available. Contact information is >> available >> for those interested in finding out more about both the technical and >> non-technical aspects of DataCite Canada. >> >> The DataCite Canada service will provide a mechanism for Canadian >> datacentres to register datasets and assign unique, persistent digital >> object identifiers (DOIs) to them. Registration of datasets with DOIs >> makes >> data more highly visible and easier to access. DOIs provide long-term >> links >> to datasets and allow published articles to link to their underlying data. >> >> As a next step, DataCite Canada will invite a small number of Canadian >> datacentres to pilot the registration service and feed into its >> development >> to ensure it meets the needs of the community. >> NRC-CISTI expects to launch DataCite Canada?s registration service in >> early >> 2011. DataCite Canada will also offer a searchable database of metadata >> describing the registered datasets. >> >> NRC-CISTI is a member of DataCite <http://www.datacite.org/>, an >> international consortium of libraries and research organizations committed >> to increasing access to research data on the internet. NRC-CISTI is >> DataCite?s DOI allocation agent for Canada. >> >> For more information, contact Karen Morgenroth, NRC-CISTI?s Manager >> Content >> Access Services at [hidden email]. >> >> If you would like to be added to our mailing list for future updates, >> please >> email: [hidden email].* >> >> * * >> >> *[image: Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information (CIST] >> [image: National Research Council Canada]* >> >> *[image: Symbol of the Government of Canada]* >> >> * * >> >> >> >> -- >> Tracey P. Lauriault >> 613-234-2805 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.pwd.ca/pipermail/civicaccess-discuss/attachments/20101215/83753eb9/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:09:04 -0500 >> From: Glen Newton <[hidden email]> >> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] NRC-CISTI?s data registration >> agency for Canada >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hey Tracie, >> >> Up until now, academics have been measured by the papers they produce. Any >> efforts to get them to manage and release their data (with exceptions in >> certain disciplines) have not been very successful. Researchers just see >> this as time taken away from research, planning and doing experiments, and >> writing grants and papers. If they are not rewarded with sharing data, why >> should they do it? >> >> This effort is meant to fix this (as well as help other things): now an >> academic can 'publish' a dataset, get a digital object identifier for it, >> and cite it. And others can also cite it. Just like a paper. So there is >> now >> a professional incentive to publish datasets. >> >> The review process for academics should shift so that the publishing of a >> dataset will also be counted (albeit usually less than a paper, although >> high impact datasets will have, er, high impact) in their academic >> evaluation (i.e. advancement, tenure, ...). >> >> So now datasets - that may not be reproducible and may have cost $$$ - >> that >> would previously have languished and eventually lost when the academic >> retired or changed computers, now have a chance to be shared, reused, >> mashed-up, etc. >> >> This also helps in other ways: datasets will have DOIs, which will point >> to >> where they reside, which suggests that someone might actually be looking >> after them, perhaps in data institutional repositories, etc. Re-use and >> combining data will become more common. A culture of data sharing just >> might >> come out of this! >> >> I've attached a diagram that I made (after another author) for a recent >> paper I co-authored. It represents what happens now to academic data. >> >> This is excellent news! >> >> -Glen >> >> http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email] >> >wrote: >> >> > >> > fyi - this is very cool! Glen, can help me better understand this if >> > you >> > know more about it and why it is significant. I know it is as I have >> been >> > in enough linked data, semantic web and super computer circles to have >> heard >> > the concept discussed, and therefore know it is really important but am >> > unable to translate my hunch into words. >> > >> > >> > >> > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:50:59 -0500 >> > From: NRC-CISTI Clients - Clients de l'ICIST-CNRC >> > <> >> > Subject: NRC-CISTI's Update on DataCite Canada | Le point sur >> > DataCite Canada >> > de l'ICIST-CNRC >> > To: "'[hidden email]'" >> > *December 15, 2010* >> > Update on NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada >> > >> > *NRC-CISTI establishes DataCite Canada web presence >> > ** >> > Ottawa, ON (December 15, 2010) ? As announced< >> http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/news/cisti/2010/nrc-cisti-datacite.html>earlier >> this fall, NRC?s Canada >> > Institute for Scientific and Technical Information (NRC-CISTI)< >> http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cisti/index.html>is in the >> process of establishing a central research dataset registration >> > service for Canada. >> > >> > In an initial step, NRC-CISTI has created a series of DataCite Canada< >> http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/cisti/datacite-canada/index.html>web >> pages. The intent of these pages is to provide an overview of the >> > initiative and answer basic questions about how the research data >> > registration service will work. The pages will be regularly updated with >> the >> > latest information as it becomes available. Contact information is >> available >> > for those interested in finding out more about both the technical and >> > non-technical aspects of DataCite Canada. >> > >> > The DataCite Canada service will provide a mechanism for Canadian >> > datacentres to register datasets and assign unique, persistent digital >> > object identifiers (DOIs) to them. Registration of datasets with DOIs >> makes >> > data more highly visible and easier to access. DOIs provide long-term >> links >> > to datasets and allow published articles to link to their underlying >> data. >> > >> > As a next step, DataCite Canada will invite a small number of Canadian >> > datacentres to pilot the registration service and feed into its >> development >> > to ensure it meets the needs of the community. >> > NRC-CISTI expects to launch DataCite Canada?s registration service in >> early >> > 2011. DataCite Canada will also offer a searchable database of metadata >> > describing the registered datasets. >> > >> > NRC-CISTI is a member of DataCite <http://www.datacite.org/>, an >> > international consortium of libraries and research organizations >> committed >> > to increasing access to research data on the internet. NRC-CISTI is >> > DataCite?s DOI allocation agent for Canada. >> > >> > For more information, contact Karen Morgenroth, NRC-CISTI?s Manager >> Content >> > Access Services at [hidden email]. >> > >> > If you would like to be added to our mailing list for future updates, >> > please email: [hidden email].* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *[image: Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information >> > (CIST] >> > [image: National Research Council Canada]* >> > >> > *[image: Symbol of the Government of Canada]* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tracey P. 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Hey Morgen;
Thanks for the ideas. I guess before I do anything with this list, I need to hear from more people. I am always reluctant to move and change something on a whim without context, especially if it works well and unless there is a real identified need to change it. The other thing also has to be soo much better. Also, what is your motivation or what are you thinking of? Before making a decision on something that has worked really well for 5 years can we weigh some pros and cons and identify what is good and not so good about what we have now? Consider some questions about the other thing? And then explore what it is you wish to do exactly and decide from there. What I like about the current list: a) There is an archive of material - which is public and searchable in google and other search tools (Critical) b) I like knowing who I am talking to - and i like the specificity of the community, like when I participate in the Canadian Association of Geographers list, Canadian cartographic association list, open government UK lists, etc. (I can live without this, but I like it) c) It is super easy to use (Critical) d) The service and the server are run and provided by an individual who does so for many groups in a non proprietary way (Critical) e) the system is robust, open source with a proven track record & never been hacked (Critical) e) the list has been operational 24/7 for 5 years without one glitch f) there is absolutely no spam ever to clean up, and I mean ever (This is absolitely critical) g) there have been no trolls baiting people, and in 5 years there has been one heated dispute and that was over the census issue which resulted in the loss of one really important list member. Questions about the thing you are proposing: a) does it archive the content? b) where does the content go and who does it belong to? c) is it a third party private sector owned service? d) how stable is that service? d) are there fees attached to the service in the long run? e) is it as easy to use as this list? f) do we have complete control over the list as we have now? g) what is the cost of moving all the content and people over? h) what about spam and troll control? i) I am sure it is prettier than the list, but then... bref, what does that service offer that this list does not? and what would you like to see more of? and lets take it from there. a) Subscription? We can remove that, but then in come trolls and spam. b) you would like to rss the content, can that not happen from the archive now? If Not i can ask to see is such a service exists. c) You want to tag content? c) What else are you looking for? In terms of sharing:
Cheers t On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Morgen Peers <[hidden email]> wrote: > could you say that list submissions/messages fall into several knowable > categories? news is often shared through the list, e.g. a dataset has been > released or "said thing" happened in "said sector/discipline/region". people > also react to developments in the geo-political realms. they react to > stories in the media and share opinion. therefore, people generally share > their opinion and the chain (reaction) cannot be predicted. sometimes even > sharing a news item will spark a debate or string of conversation spanning > several emails by several people. i'm suggesting that we can fairly easily > know the difference between news or "posts which seek to apprise others of > what's happening" and those posts that have more of us in them and which > stem from critical thinking. so what if we shared news and worldly > developments a little more widely? of course everyone is free to share > whatever they wish beyond the list. but isn't the centralized nature (the > "hub" aspect of the list) what we value? so. would others value > the"centrality of kick-ass news through other means of participation? how > might someone participate and benefit from Civic Access though not > subscribed? wondering what role the current web presence plays and how it's > balanced with the culture and expectations/norms of those who've made this > resource rich. > > morgen > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 1:09 PM, > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> Send CivicAccess-discuss mailing list submissions to >> [hidden email] >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> [hidden email] >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> [hidden email] >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of CivicAccess-discuss digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. US: Natural Earth Data (Tracey P. Lauriault) >> 2. NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada >> (Tracey P. Lauriault) >> 3. Re: NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada (Glen Newton) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 12:08:05 -0500 >> From: "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]> >> To: CCA List <[hidden email]>, CAGLIST <[hidden email]>, >> civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] US: Natural Earth Data >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >> >> http://www.naturalearthdata.com/ >> <http://www.naturalearthdata.com/> >> >> Natural Earth is a public domain map dataset available at 1:10m, 1:50m, >> and >> 1:110 million scales. Featuring tightly integrated vector and raster data, >> with Natural Earth you can make a variety of visually pleasing, >> well-crafted >> maps with cartography or GIS software. >> Natural Earth was built through a collaboration of many >> volunteers<http://www.naturalearthdata.com/about/contributors/> and >> is supported byNACIS <http://www.nacis.org/> (North American Cartographic >> Information Society), and is free for use in any type of project (see our >> Terms >> of Use <http://www.naturalearthdata.com/about/terms-of-use/> page for more >> information). >> -- >> Tracey P. Lauriault >> 613-234-2805 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.pwd.ca/pipermail/civicaccess-discuss/attachments/20101215/f26e8b8c/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 15:31:27 -0500 >> From: "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]> >> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> >> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency >> for Canada >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" >> >> fyi - this is very cool! Glen, can help me better understand this if you >> know more about it and why it is significant. I know it is as I have been >> in enough linked data, semantic web and super computer circles to have >> heard >> the concept discussed, and therefore know it is really important but am >> unable to translate my hunch into words. >> >> >> >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:50:59 -0500 >> From: NRC-CISTI Clients - Clients de l'ICIST-CNRC >> <> >> Subject: NRC-CISTI's Update on DataCite Canada | Le point sur >> DataCite Canada >> de l'ICIST-CNRC >> To: "'[hidden email]'" >> *December 15, 2010* >> Update on NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada >> >> *NRC-CISTI establishes DataCite Canada web presence >> ** >> Ottawa, ON (December 15, 2010) ? As >> >> announced<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/news/cisti/2010/nrc-cisti-datacite.html>earlier >> this fall, NRC?s Canada >> Institute for Scientific and Technical Information >> (NRC-CISTI)<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cisti/index.html>is >> in the process of establishing a central research dataset registration >> service for Canada. >> >> In an initial step, NRC-CISTI has created a series of DataCite >> >> Canada<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/cisti/datacite-canada/index.html>web >> pages. The intent of these pages is to provide an overview of the >> initiative and answer basic questions about how the research data >> registration service will work. The pages will be regularly updated with >> the >> latest information as it becomes available. Contact information is >> available >> for those interested in finding out more about both the technical and >> non-technical aspects of DataCite Canada. >> >> The DataCite Canada service will provide a mechanism for Canadian >> datacentres to register datasets and assign unique, persistent digital >> object identifiers (DOIs) to them. Registration of datasets with DOIs >> makes >> data more highly visible and easier to access. DOIs provide long-term >> links >> to datasets and allow published articles to link to their underlying data. >> >> As a next step, DataCite Canada will invite a small number of Canadian >> datacentres to pilot the registration service and feed into its >> development >> to ensure it meets the needs of the community. >> NRC-CISTI expects to launch DataCite Canada?s registration service in >> early >> 2011. DataCite Canada will also offer a searchable database of metadata >> describing the registered datasets. >> >> NRC-CISTI is a member of DataCite <http://www.datacite.org/>, an >> international consortium of libraries and research organizations committed >> to increasing access to research data on the internet. NRC-CISTI is >> DataCite?s DOI allocation agent for Canada. >> >> For more information, contact Karen Morgenroth, NRC-CISTI?s Manager >> Content >> Access Services at [hidden email]. >> >> If you would like to be added to our mailing list for future updates, >> please >> email: [hidden email].* >> >> * * >> >> *[image: Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information (CIST] >> [image: National Research Council Canada]* >> >> *[image: Symbol of the Government of Canada]* >> >> * * >> >> >> >> -- >> Tracey P. Lauriault >> 613-234-2805 >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.pwd.ca/pipermail/civicaccess-discuss/attachments/20101215/83753eb9/attachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 16:09:04 -0500 >> From: Glen Newton <[hidden email]> >> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]> >> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] NRC-CISTI?s data registration >> agency for Canada >> Message-ID: >> <[hidden email]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Hey Tracie, >> >> Up until now, academics have been measured by the papers they produce. Any >> efforts to get them to manage and release their data (with exceptions in >> certain disciplines) have not been very successful. Researchers just see >> this as time taken away from research, planning and doing experiments, and >> writing grants and papers. If they are not rewarded with sharing data, why >> should they do it? >> >> This effort is meant to fix this (as well as help other things): now an >> academic can 'publish' a dataset, get a digital object identifier for it, >> and cite it. And others can also cite it. Just like a paper. So there is >> now >> a professional incentive to publish datasets. >> >> The review process for academics should shift so that the publishing of a >> dataset will also be counted (albeit usually less than a paper, although >> high impact datasets will have, er, high impact) in their academic >> evaluation (i.e. advancement, tenure, ...). >> >> So now datasets - that may not be reproducible and may have cost $$$ - >> that >> would previously have languished and eventually lost when the academic >> retired or changed computers, now have a chance to be shared, reused, >> mashed-up, etc. >> >> This also helps in other ways: datasets will have DOIs, which will point >> to >> where they reside, which suggests that someone might actually be looking >> after them, perhaps in data institutional repositories, etc. Re-use and >> combining data will become more common. A culture of data sharing just >> might >> come out of this! >> >> I've attached a diagram that I made (after another author) for a recent >> paper I co-authored. It represents what happens now to academic data. >> >> This is excellent news! >> >> -Glen >> >> http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ >> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault >> <[hidden email]>wrote: >> >> > >> > fyi - this is very cool! Glen, can help me better understand this if >> > you >> > know more about it and why it is significant. I know it is as I have >> > been >> > in enough linked data, semantic web and super computer circles to have >> > heard >> > the concept discussed, and therefore know it is really important but am >> > unable to translate my hunch into words. >> > >> > >> > >> > Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2010 09:50:59 -0500 >> > From: NRC-CISTI Clients - Clients de l'ICIST-CNRC >> > <> >> > Subject: NRC-CISTI's Update on DataCite Canada | Le point sur >> > DataCite Canada >> > de l'ICIST-CNRC >> > To: "'[hidden email]'" >> > *December 15, 2010* >> > Update on NRC-CISTI?s data registration agency for Canada >> > >> > *NRC-CISTI establishes DataCite Canada web presence >> > ** >> > Ottawa, ON (December 15, 2010) ? As >> > announced<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/news/cisti/2010/nrc-cisti-datacite.html>earlier >> > this fall, NRC?s Canada >> > Institute for Scientific and Technical Information >> > (NRC-CISTI)<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/ibp/cisti/index.html>is in >> > the process of establishing a central research dataset registration >> > service for Canada. >> > >> > In an initial step, NRC-CISTI has created a series of DataCite >> > Canada<http://cisti-icist.nrc-cnrc.gc.ca/eng/services/cisti/datacite-canada/index.html>web >> > pages. The intent of these pages is to provide an overview of the >> > initiative and answer basic questions about how the research data >> > registration service will work. The pages will be regularly updated with >> > the >> > latest information as it becomes available. Contact information is >> > available >> > for those interested in finding out more about both the technical and >> > non-technical aspects of DataCite Canada. >> > >> > The DataCite Canada service will provide a mechanism for Canadian >> > datacentres to register datasets and assign unique, persistent digital >> > object identifiers (DOIs) to them. Registration of datasets with DOIs >> > makes >> > data more highly visible and easier to access. DOIs provide long-term >> > links >> > to datasets and allow published articles to link to their underlying >> > data. >> > >> > As a next step, DataCite Canada will invite a small number of Canadian >> > datacentres to pilot the registration service and feed into its >> > development >> > to ensure it meets the needs of the community. >> > NRC-CISTI expects to launch DataCite Canada?s registration service in >> > early >> > 2011. DataCite Canada will also offer a searchable database of metadata >> > describing the registered datasets. >> > >> > NRC-CISTI is a member of DataCite <http://www.datacite.org/>, an >> > international consortium of libraries and research organizations >> > committed >> > to increasing access to research data on the internet. NRC-CISTI is >> > DataCite?s DOI allocation agent for Canada. >> > >> > For more information, contact Karen Morgenroth, NRC-CISTI?s Manager >> > Content >> > Access Services at [hidden email]. >> > >> > If you would like to be added to our mailing list for future updates, >> > please email: [hidden email].* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > *[image: Canada Institute for Scientific and Technical Information >> > (CIST] >> > [image: National Research Council Canada]* >> > >> > *[image: Symbol of the Government of Canada]* >> > >> > * * >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Tracey P. Lauriault >> > 613-234-2805 >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> >> - >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.pwd.ca/pipermail/civicaccess-discuss/attachments/20101215/fbc2cde5/attachment.html> >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: d_afterMichel1997.pdf >> Type: application/pdf >> Size: 33906 bytes >> Desc: not available >> URL: >> <http://lists.pwd.ca/pipermail/civicaccess-discuss/attachments/20101215/fbc2cde5/attachment.pdf> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> End of CivicAccess-discuss Digest, Vol 41, Issue 16 >> *************************************************** > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > -- Tracey P. 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On 2010-12-15, at 10:31 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > Thanks for the ideas. I guess before I do anything with this list, I need to hear from more people. If it ain't broke... -- Phillip Smith // Simplifier of Technology // COMMUNITY BANDWIDTH www.communitybandwidth.ca // www.phillipadsmith.com |
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In reply to this post by Morgen Peers
thought i should briefly respond after some people took time to reply...
i was just suggesting that some news items that are shared on the list (e.g. FOSS Government Policy - https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikibooks/en/wiki/FOSS_Government_Policy) would benefit many people who do not/do not care to subscribe to an "academic thingy" like a listserv. therefore, CivicAccess and those contributing might spread knowledge and help improve the world (in small ways) by spreading important information/links, which is something entirely different from dialogue/conversations in response to links or emerging issues. but as I suggested earlier, perhaps that's what is gained by those willing to sign up to a list: interesting, timely information that others are not privy to. that day i also shared with Tracey a resource that I thought would be of interest to researchers, instructors, and others in academic/group settings. without proper clarification on my end, Tracey thought i was suggesting that CivicAccess change its infrastructure or some other crazy idea like that. that wasn't the case. the technology in question was a new service being provided by posterous.com called "groups" and will likely be of interest to many people on this list for non-list activities, particularly those working at universities. i'm sure many other uses can be imagined. http://blog.posterous.com/get-your-group-on-introducing-posterous-group best, morgen |
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