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Re: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens

Posted by Kent Mewhort-2 on Feb 22, 2014; 4:57pm
URL: http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/Fwd-Montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-CC-BY-4-Une-pr-emiere-au-Canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-s-tp6561p6580.html

I have to disagree.  I think it could be a slippery slope to waive these clauses off as boilerplates that are never likely to apply because the goverment is vetting the information anyways.  In this case, the licensor is saying "trust me", while shifting all the legal risk, business risk and uncertainties for a failure of this trust onto the user.

An Teresa mentioned, FIPPA "laws are there to govern what government's disclose".  The must-not-release clauses in FIPPA create obligations on governments to withhold certain classes of information.  However, when brought into a license, the legal implications change dramatically.  Rather than being obligations on the government, they change into obligations on the USER to vet and not use these classes of information -- at risk of being in violation of crown copyright.

The scope of these exemption clauses are also actually very different between different licenses.  While the clauses are relatively narrow in the UK OGL 2.0, the Ontario and BC OGLs pull in pages and pages of exemptions from FIPPA legislation.  The potential exclusions carry well past the scenario of a particular datasets violating an individuals privacy rights.  I won't rehash the discussion of these issues on the OD list, but a couple of entry points to these threads can be found here and here.

All said, a big congratulations to Montreal and Quebec for moving away from these uncertainties!

Kent

On 14-02-21 03:40 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
From Teresa,

(We,re trying to figure ou the list problem)




On 2014-02-21, at 5:32 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:

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Subject: RE: [CivicAccess-discuss] Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens

I'm not sure that it is necessary to know much more about the referenced legislation in these government licences, so I don't agree that these clauses make the licences particularly more complex from a user's point of view. These clauses are boilerplate CYA clauses for government - (there's one in the UK open licence as well). Governments are not allowed  to provide, as open data, any of the information that is excluded from disclosure under (in this case) provincial access to information and protection of privacy legislation. So this type of information should simply not be in the open data set in the first place. The clauses are there in an attempt to limit governments' own liability should, by some internal error, they provide a data set containing data they were not legally allowed to make public. Each province will have a slightly different clause because each province has its own legislation, which may have a different title. But the principle is the same in each case.

Even if a user knew these laws inside out they would probably have no way of knowing whether the data in the data set was a third party's confidential business information, to use one example. The laws are there to govern what government's disclose. Knowledge of the law is thus more or less unnecessary, and in my view, these clauses don't have much of an impact on users and shouldn't create any incompatibilities between licences. The only scenario where there might be a problem is if a citizen complained that a particular data set violated their privacy rights (or a company complained that a particular set contained its confidential business information) and an adjudicator or court ruled that this was indeed the case. At that point, the data set might have to be withdrawn and a user of the data set would not be licenced to use the problematic data.

Teresa


On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:25 PM, David Eaves <[hidden email]> wrote:
So my understanding is that the BC license is different - but all the others are the same. That is certainly the intention that they all be identical accept the title which references the jurisdiction. (again except BC which is frustrating).

Of course, now that there is a group of governments aligned around the license, you can send them feedback about how they could make them identical. I think they are interested in hearing this.




On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:05 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Yes, they are different licenses.
>
> I just spoke to Kent Mewhort, who explained that there are other differences between the licenses. For example, BC [1] has an additional exemption which makes it a more problematic license: "This license does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (B.C.);". Ontario [2] has a similar exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (Ontario);" Alberta [3] has its own vague exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records that are not accessible under applicable laws;".
>
> The licenses, on the surface, look the same, but those one-line differences actually make the licenses quite complex, given that you need to know a fair amount about the referenced/imported legislation.
>
> 1. http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf
> 2. http://www.ontario.ca/government/open-government-licence-ontario
> 3.


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