http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/Re-CivicAccess-discuss-Digest-Vol-7-Issue-40-tp643p656.html
Funny you should mention that. I have thought for a few years now to try
questions.
in the GIS realm, but it just isn't at that level yet. there are tons of
mapping packages. But, there I go again. I have hope that something can
still be done.
realm through libraries. I really believe in the concept, it's just a
matter of getting some public libraries interested. There are no public
Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
> Fantastic Marcel!
>
> One of my optimistic/utopic dreams - data access dreams that is - is to
> extend the dli (Data Liberation Initiative) and other academic data
> access infrastructures to public libraries, school boards, and community
> groups. I know that this would require additional hardware, software,
> and peopleware resources in cash strapped institutions but alas, i
> wonder what role the librarians (map, data and reg) + archivists can
> play within their associations to push for the extension of some of the
> excellent knowledge agreements already in place?
>
> What do you & others think? am I delusional on a sunny Friday afternoon
> after hours of looking into the metadata policies of science data
> portals? I feel a little light headed but alas is this an
> angle/strategy/solution to explore?
>
> cheers
> T
> ps-when i started uni but a few years ago, there was only US data to
> work with. And i look forward to those links.
>
> Marcel Fortin wrote:
>
>>Thanks Tracey,
>>You're right, we definetly do have a long way to go in the public realm,
>>but, on the academic side, we have also come a long long way. When I
>>started at the U of T in 1999, we had access to maybe 2 or 3 Canadian
>>geospatial datasets taking up roughly about 1 gig of space mostly taken
>>up by one orthophoto set). In 2006, I have access to probably over 100
>>Canadian geospatial datasets taking up over a terabyte of space, without
>>counting the free Canadian data on the web. Again, most of this is of
>>course through academic licensing, but I think things will progress for
>>the general public as well. That's my hope at least. Maybe I'm too
>>optimistic? I imagine everyone else on this listserv has hope
>>considering the existance of the civicaccess group and listserv.
>>
>>I will try and add links and other docs as you request in your message.
>>
>>Marcel
>>
>>
>>Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Marcel;
>>>I partially agree with you, we do have much to celebrate, however, after
>>>having spent thousands of dollars on data to do some quality of life
>>>indicator work at the scale of the city, and trying to do some
>>>demographic analysis of my neigbhourhood and some school catchment
>>>areas, i feel we have a long way to go for the average citizen - not the
>>>specialist - getting easy and free/no cost access to some useful data.
>>>
>>>Having said that, Marcel, would you be so kind as to look at our
>>>resources page and see if there are additional resources we can add
>>>there? You could just post them to the list if you like or put em up on
>>>the wiki. That would be really great!
http://civicaccess.ca/wiki/Resources>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>So, a failure? I don't think so. I think we have to build on some of these
>>>>successes and not try and compare ourselves to the U.S. too much.
>>>>The federal government is not oblivious to the fact that data are mostly
>>>>free in the US. In many cases federal and provincial hands are tied because
>>>>of Crown Copyright and licensing policy, or they think their hands are tied
>>>>See Werschler's "Dissemination of Government Geographic Data in Canada :
>>>>Guide to Best Practices" at
>>>>
http://cgdi-dev.ccrs.nrcan.gc.ca/publications/Best_practices_guide/Guide_to_>>>>Best_Practices_v12_finale_e.pdf
>>>>Our data cultures are different and we can't change that overnight.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>i added this ref doc to the wiki here -
>>>
http://civicaccess.ca/wiki/Politiques>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>The Association of Canadian Map Libraries and Archives (ACMLA) along with
>>>>the Canadian Association of Public Data Users (CAPDU) have worked hard at
>>>>negotiating data deals over the years.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I've added the orgs here -
>>>
http://civicaccess.ca/wiki/Organizations/Organismes>>>if you have some good refs, fire em over and I will get em listed!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What we in the ACMLA have done is
>>>>demonstrate the need for their data, how they can be used (something they
>>>>don't always know), and how we intend to use them. The most effective
>>>>argument we often have, however, is the ability to demonstrate to them a
>>>>similar deal with another organization (this also works with industry). The
>>>>strategy is often used at the provincial and local level. I realize again
>>>>that these are academic deals but it does demonstrate the power of
>>>>negotiation and communication and the usefulness of building on past
>>>>successes.
>>>>
>>>>Marcel
>>>>
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