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Re: The case for context in defining Open Data

Posted by Michael Mulley on Feb 26, 2013; 6:45pm
URL: http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/The-case-for-context-in-defining-Open-Data-tp5474p5477.html

Thanks for your post, Ted, but I'm not sure I recognize what the problem is it's trying to address.

The post seems to rely on the implied notion that "open data" should refer only to good, happy things. Which I don't agree with. We've seen "open" as adjective used in endless warm, fuzzy, and fundamentally meaningless political uses; for "open data", I think we're far better off with the current more-or-less objective consensus definition.

So without getting into specific examples, it's in no way contradictory or problematic in terms of definitions for an open data release to have negative effects. Nobody with any kind of voice is claiming that all government data should be open.

> When using or building an open data site or app ask yourself:
> who is this built for, to do what with, and why? Please don’t
> only ask: is the data open enough?

Well, of course -- I don't think anyone is asking only that. Even in this community, where we know how tricky and important licenses are and so pay particular attention to them, I've never heard the argument that openness should be our sole concern. This feels a little strawmanny.

> To open data means to apply any combination of open principles
> to achieve one’s goals in the context of a particular situation.

At the moment, it doesn't. Thanks to years of effort by a global community, there's a consensus definition as to what "to open data" means (opendefinition.org). The above definition -- which is so broad as to apply to virtually anything -- would lose us precision and hurt interoperability between open data projects (one of the essential goals of the movement), on the way to making "open data", whether as verb or noun, an empty feel-good term.

I think you'll find open-data advocates very ready to agree that open data is a tool that isn't the solution to every problem, that some data should not be open, and that it's possible and potentially desirable for a business model to embrace collaboration and openness without actually opening data. Far better to acknowledge this than try to make "open data" refer to everything good and nothing bad.


On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:54 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:
Open Data has a fairly well accepted definition.

If you want to define something else (which may be useful in a related
context), come up with another name for it. Otherwise you are just
muddying the waters.

I was also not convinced by your initial arguments (Weenusk, others).
Almost every data release has implications, and needs to be dealt
with. But do not conflate these issues with Open Data. The very same
data could be released with a restrictive license, and have the same -
in the case of your claims - negative impacts. For example, in the
Weenusk case, the data could be released in with a no-reuse, no
re-distribution license (so clearly not Open Data) and have the exact
same impact.
Do not conflate the content of the data (and the implications of
sharing the knowledge/information contained in the data) with its
license.

-Glen

-glen

-Glen

On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Ted Strauss <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello all,
> In honor of Open Data Day, I wrote this blog post:
> The case for context in defining Open Data
>
> Hope to hear your comments.
>
> It's the first post on Strength in Numbers, the official
> blog of Trudat, with posts by Naomi Kincler and myself.
> Trudat is a web application for collaborative data discovery.
> It will be launching later this year.
>
> --
> Ted Strauss
> Co-founder of Trudat.co
>
> I'm organizing Open Data Exchange in Montreal, April 6, 2013
>
>
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