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Re: trying to finish up

Posted by Gurstein, Michael on Mar 26, 2006; 10:49pm
URL: http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/trying-to-finish-up-tp374p400.html

I like the reforumulation below a lot, Michael!

I don't however like this very much "We believe that citizens need open and free access to civic information and data, particularly in an information economy"... I think using the terminology of the "Information Society" is much more powerful in that one can draw link directly into the various clauses and proclamations (in which Canada was a lead actor) from the World Summit on the Information Society... (In fact it might not be a bad idea to have a quote somewhere from there...

I'm still in recovery mode from a major travel excursion or I would dig something out, but Robert Guerra or Bill McIver both of whom many (most?) of you know and who (both) could/should be enlisted in this enterprise would probably have something at their finger tips...

MG

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Michael Lenczner
Sent: March 26, 2006 8:27 PM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] trying to finish up

"Citizens for Open Access to Civic Information and Data (COACID) is being formed out of a belief that open civic information and data are necessary for being an engaged citizen in an "information society". We want to encourage all levels of government to make civic information and data freely accessible in open formats to citizens."

>
> Patrick
>
> Daniel Haran wrote:
> > I've put up a mock up of the front page as I would see it.
> > http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/FrontPageMockup
> >
> > Eventually, a front page could have just the first paragraph, with
> > news (+RSS feed) and *ways for people to get involved*. That last
> > point is probably the most important thing from my perspective. What
> > do we want this site to accomplish? A lot of decisions flow very
> > easily once that's clear.
> >
> > Oh, and I made up a campaign. It's a devious ploy to get people
> > thinking about a census data campaign. (I think it's a great idea).
> >
> > Disclaimers:
> > 1- It's ugly. I never pretended to be a designer :)
> > 2- The information is mostly based on our About page, but I've
> > changed important parts (e.g. removing the non-commercial objective.
> > I think data should be free, and I think that was the consensus on
> > the list so
> > far)
> > 3- I didn't translate the page, as I think these should be separate
> > English/French pages as mentioned earlier. I can translate if/once it
> > has consensus.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Daniel.
> >
> > On 3/26/06, Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> I'm worried that it's going to alienate lots of potential quebec
> >> participants.  Dèja le plupart de la site est en Anglais ansi que
> >> les titres des pages.  Aussi, le mailing list ca se passe presque
> >> seulment en Anglais.  Je ne pense pas que on a besoin de leur
> >> donner un autre raison à croire que le site n'est pas crèer pour
> >> eux.
> >>
> >> also - instead of COACID can we use Civic Access / Accès Civique?
> >> Both for the title and in the text?  I changed the corresponding
> >> text in the wiki (on the front page).
> >>
> >> In general, we probably should never use COACID or the french
> >> version, CALIDC.  Just CivicAccess.ca or AccesCivique.ca
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/26/06, Patrick Dinnen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> On the maple leaf, I'm not a flag waving sort myself either. But
> >>> the thinking here was that without some indicator it's not at all
> >>> apparent that the group/site relates to Canadian data
> >>> specifically. The leaf seemed like a super quick and clear way of
> >>> communicating that visually.
> >>>
> >>> Personally I'm much more bothered by the use of the term 'Splash
> >>> page' than I am about using the flag ;-) But whatever people
> >>> think.
> >>>
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>> Michael Lenczner wrote:
> >>>> looks good.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would skip the maple leave, though.  seems . . . gratuitous, to
> >>>> a quebecer at least.  and it kinda looks like we might be
> >>>> "official", gov't funded or something.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/26/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>>  :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  someday someone will have to explain to be the politics of the
> >>>>> s word!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  Patrick Dinnen wrote:
> >>>>>  I agree that an initial page to explain a little about what the
> >>>>> site/a wiki is would be helpful (lets say landing page, rather
> >>>>> than using the S word with it's information-free connotations).
> >>>>> Here's a 10 minute design on how that might look:
> >>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=118104671&size=o
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael Lenczner wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  I know tracey just added some more sections to the site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> on my side:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) i think we should keep a splash page before the wiki. that
> >>>>> way we can at some point set up another cms if we want to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if we don't keep a splash page then people will link to
> >>>>> http://www.civicaccess.ca to go to the wiki. To put a blog in
> >>>>> before that a year later would mean breaking everyone's links to
> >>>>> the wiki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> so we should prevent http://www.civicaccess.ca from forwarding
> >>>>> automatically to the wiki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and 2) we should keep a splash page because many of the people
> >>>>> who we want to become participants of civicaccess have never
> >>>>> seen a wiki before and will be kinda shocked with how
> >>>>> unprofessional it seems. especially because it seems that we're
> >>>>> going to have to "go live" before we get a nicely organized wiki
> >>>>> with lots of content.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steph - can you put a back a temporary splash page? and maybe
> >>>>> you or patrick or someone else can do a lightly designed splash
> >>>>> page explain civicaccess in french + english (link to suggested
> >>>>> text below) with a link to the wiki?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/SplashPage (suggested
> >>>>> text)
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