Posted by
Michael Lenczner on
Mar 26, 2006; 6:27pm
URL: http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/trying-to-finish-up-tp374p387.html
On 3/26/06, Patrick Dinnen <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> I really like Daniel's proposed front page text. I like the clear
> 'manifesto' and call to action sections.
>
> I still feel it would be useful to have a non-wiki front page for the
> site (not sure if this was your thought or not Daniel?). We're told not
> to judge books by their covers', but we still do it all the time. I
> wouldn't want people to be scared off by the wiki-look of the site
> before they get an idea what it's about.
I know that tracey and I strongly support a non-wiki front page.
and I like Daniel's version too. especially the 4 links.
I modified the version slightly. Including removing the part about it
hurting business efficiency. I have no problem with that being a
corollary argument, but I dont' think it belongs on our front page. i
tried to observe Hugh's comment that he found the mission of
CivicAccess too difficult to understand.
So I changed the main paragraph from:
'''Citizens for Open Access to Civic Information and Data (COACID)'''
is being formed out of a belief that open civic information and data
are necessary for being an engaged citizen in an "information
society". We want to encourage government to use and support the
development of online technologies to enable citizens to easily find
public information and data and to develop policies to make them
freely accessible in open formats by citizens."
to:
"Citizens for Open Access to Civic Information and Data (COACID) is
being formed out of a belief that open civic information and data are
necessary for being an engaged citizen in an "information society". We
want to encourage all levels of government to make civic information
and data freely accessible in open formats to citizens."
Is that cool? I know that we want some other stuff to happen as well,
but I think this is the crux of it.
I made the same changed on the corresponding "about" page. I didn't
touch the french version so if someone wants to translate that one
modified sentence that would be great.
>
> Regarding the maple leaf: I agree, inclusivity is crucial, but I'm
> really not interested in figuring out how to navigate subtle
> intra-national politics of symbolism. Just as long as the first page
> makes it clear that this is a Canadian thing, how it's done is
> unimportant to me. Whatever people think works best works with me.
hmm. no real solutions to propose. anyone else?
>
> Patrick
>
> Daniel Haran wrote:
> > I've put up a mock up of the front page as I would see it.
> >
http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/FrontPageMockup> >
> > Eventually, a front page could have just the first paragraph, with
> > news (+RSS feed) and *ways for people to get involved*. That last
> > point is probably the most important thing from my perspective. What
> > do we want this site to accomplish? A lot of decisions flow very
> > easily once that's clear.
> >
> > Oh, and I made up a campaign. It's a devious ploy to get people
> > thinking about a census data campaign. (I think it's a great idea).
> >
> > Disclaimers:
> > 1- It's ugly. I never pretended to be a designer :)
> > 2- The information is mostly based on our About page, but I've changed
> > important parts (e.g. removing the non-commercial objective. I think
> > data should be free, and I think that was the consensus on the list so
> > far)
> > 3- I didn't translate the page, as I think these should be separate
> > English/French pages as mentioned earlier. I can translate if/once it
> > has consensus.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Daniel.
> >
> > On 3/26/06, Michael Lenczner <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> >> I'm worried that it's going to alienate lots of potential quebec
> >> participants. Dèja le plupart de la site est en Anglais ansi que les
> >> titres des pages. Aussi, le mailing list ca se passe presque seulment
> >> en Anglais. Je ne pense pas que on a besoin de leur donner un autre
> >> raison à croire que le site n'est pas crèer pour eux.
> >>
> >> also - instead of COACID can we use Civic Access / Accès Civique?
> >> Both for the title and in the text? I changed the corresponding text
> >> in the wiki (on the front page).
> >>
> >> In general, we probably should never use COACID or the french version,
> >> CALIDC. Just CivicAccess.ca or AccesCivique.ca
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3/26/06, Patrick Dinnen <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>> On the maple leaf, I'm not a flag waving sort myself either. But the
> >>> thinking here was that without some indicator it's not at all apparent
> >>> that the group/site relates to Canadian data specifically. The leaf
> >>> seemed like a super quick and clear way of communicating that visually.
> >>>
> >>> Personally I'm much more bothered by the use of the term 'Splash page'
> >>> than I am about using the flag ;-) But whatever people think.
> >>>
> >>> Patrick
> >>>
> >>> Michael Lenczner wrote:
> >>>> looks good.
> >>>>
> >>>> I would skip the maple leave, though. seems . . . gratuitous, to a
> >>>> quebecer at least. and it kinda looks like we might be "official",
> >>>> gov't funded or something.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 3/26/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> >>>>> :-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> someday someone will have to explain to be the politics of the s word!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Patrick Dinnen wrote:
> >>>>> I agree that an initial page to explain a little about what the site/a
> >>>>> wiki is would be helpful (lets say landing page, rather than using the S
> >>>>> word with it's information-free connotations). Here's a 10 minute design
> >>>>> on how that might look:
> >>>>>
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=118104671&size=o> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thoughts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Patrick
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael Lenczner wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I know tracey just added some more sections to the site.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> on my side:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 1) i think we should keep a splash page before the wiki. that way we
> >>>>> can at some point set up another cms if we want to.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> if we don't keep a splash page then people will link to
> >>>>>
http://www.civicaccess.ca to go to the wiki. To put a blog in before
> >>>>> that a year later would mean breaking everyone's links to the wiki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> so we should prevent
http://www.civicaccess.ca from forwarding
> >>>>> automatically to the wiki.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> and 2) we should keep a splash page because many of the people who we
> >>>>> want to become participants of civicaccess have never seen a wiki
> >>>>> before and will be kinda shocked with how unprofessional it seems.
> >>>>> especially because it seems that we're going to have to "go live"
> >>>>> before we get a nicely organized wiki with lots of content.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Steph - can you put a back a temporary splash page? and maybe you or
> >>>>> patrick or someone else can do a lightly designed splash page explain
> >>>>> civicaccess in french + english (link to suggested text below) with a
> >>>>> link to the wiki?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/SplashPage (suggested
> >>>>> text)
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