Posted by
Hugh McGuire on
Feb 22, 2006; 5:14am
URL: http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/public-announcement-draft-1-tp256p297.html
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>>change - freely accessible - to - accessible at no cost for non commercial purposes -
>>reason - freely is the current modis operanti but at a cost! excluding freedom of
>>information (FOI). non commercial is important as the assumption is that a business can
>>afford to do this.
>
>
> I respectfully disagree with this. I think that I should be able to
> make a map of montreal that is advertiser supported and I should be
> able to include potholes taken from a municipal or burrough database.
I totally agree with Mike here. I think this makes the argument stronger
actually, that a healthy public domain is good for everybody - business
included - and in many cases of course business does a good job of
giving citizens things they need. just make the data available, and not
have any restrictions on how or why it can be used.
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>>>2) to support projects that use new online technologies to enable
>>>citizens to easily find and share public information and data as well
>>>as to re-contextualize that information in ways that make it
>>>meaningful to them.
>>
>>hugh's changes here?
>>
> I'm still struggling with the wording of hugh's suggestion. I like
> it, but I'm wondering if it's distracting - or I'm worrying if it
> sounds too idealistic or smthng?
The problem with the text as is: it's a bit jargony & I don't know what
recontextualize means. the question is: what do we want to do? give
people access to civic data. let them do online (& other) projects with it.
why? to make stronger/healthier communities? that would be my bet.
it's very important that we get this right - and have a crystal clear
objective, otherwise things will go pear-shaped quick with all sorts of
input from competing directions.
Can I suggest clarifying the prime objective (this will help all further
decisions, not just about language, but where the project should go).
Objective: to make all canadian civic data freely available to citizens
in open formats on the internet.
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>>>As engaged citizens of our neighborhoods, cities, and provinces we are
>>>working to develop a community of practice around open civic data in
>>>Canada.
>>
>>change - of our - to - in our
>>
>
> I was thinking of citizens not in terms of Canadian citizens but of
> the greek city/state citizens of our neighborhood, cities, provinces
> *and* then also canadian citizens.
why not just: "as engaged citizens we are working to develop ..."
h.
>>>
>>>On 2/13/06, Stephane Guidoin <
[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Basically, yup. Hopefully we can get some of the biggies to blog it,
>>>>>too. If someone wants to send it as a press release that would
>>>>>probably be okay as well - I'm not a PR guy so I don't know if there's
>>>>>any reason to try that.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone else have ideas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>To me there's a difference between invitation and press release. Actual
>>>>participants could send invitations to people they know. But it could
>>>>be interesting to make a press release which is more an announcement
>>>>than an invitation.
>>>>
>>>>For example Online Rights Canada made a press release (I copied it there
>>>>after as a reminder). But obviously, we don't have the same target as
>>>>ORC : we want people to be participants and not spectators.
>>>>
>>>>The text Mike sent might not have the right tone to be added on a
>>>>website. But it's good when you make a invitation to someone you know.
>>>>To me, only the first sentence really needs to be changed to make
>>>>something more public and opened.
>>>>
>>>>Stef
>>>
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