http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/Show-your-support-for-open-gov-data-at-ibelieveinopen-ca-tp1231p1254.html
Hey Heather!
ibelieveincanada.ca initiative is partially inspired by
civicaccess.ca and many other initiatives primarily in the US, so keep the button! The person who developed the initiative is a list member of
civicaccess.ca but it is not a
civicaccess.ca led project.
Civicaccess.ca is a mixed list with lots of ideas, discussion streams and different communities & individuals working on different ways to make public data and information available to the public. Some discuss legislative methods, lobby methods, tool building, movement creation, file issues or more direct action activist methods to make the issues more obvious. The heterogeneity of interests and skills on the list are wonderful and pooling brains and resources is a great thing.
My take is when the intent is for openness, transparency and democracy pushing the frontiers a little is a good thing, particularly during an election and particularly with a public file that people have been trying to make public for a long time. These same type of tactics were used in peace movements, anti-racist movements and other social justice movements and from time to time strategically taking a stance and taking a direct action is important and it seems like some people on the list have consciously decided to do that and we will all see where that goes. It is not all out pilfering, it is a political tactic.
Cheers
t
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Heather Morrison
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On 23-Sep-08, at 11:57 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
I believe folks are helping our Canadian democratic system be, well, democratic, by making it easier for citizens to find their MPs.
The NIH public access mandate, if i am not mistaken, is primarily about journal articles and not necessarily the data that are used to create them unless they are included as a PDF appendix in the article. OA movements in general, if i am not mistaken, are about published material and i think there is a different batch of folks working on public data which include socio-demographic, digital maps, framework data and a host of scientific data from both the natural and social sciences. Both are complimentary movements and at some point it might be good to pool resources.
The folks who are fighting for fair copyright in Canada could have the same potential synergies, and the same issues here.
chrs, h
Also, I think it is ok to focus on the Canadian elections and not necessarily the US opposition!
cheers
t
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> wrote:
As an illustration of why the legislation is needed. A bad and totally inappropriate example, but might convince a busy legislator who doesn't really have time to read and think about the details of every piece of legislation that comes their way.
One way to explain: the argument that the "N" in NIH (US National Institutes of Health) should not stand for "Napster" is being used to fight the NIH Public Access Mandate. Ridiculous, of course, but anyone who has followed OA advocacy over the years knows that logic is not a requirement of the anti-OA lobby for its arguments.
Any legislator who understands copyright, does a thorough reading and is making decisions based on what makes sense (as opposed to who to contibuting to the campaign expenses), is not supporting this bill, anyway...
best,
h
On 23-Sep-08, at 11:25 AM, Daniel Haran wrote:
On Tue, Sep 23, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> wrote:
Re: scraping and infringing and telling everyone - please note that OA
advocates in the U.S. are battling a concerted effort by the anti-OA
publishing lobby to basically change U.S. copyright law to prevent public
access mandates to federally funded research. The Conyers bill is nuts, but
could easily get slipped into another bill and passed.
This is not a great time to be public about infringing; this would help the
opposition.
Not that I'm against this approach altogether, just not the best timing.
best,
Heather Morrison
How would this help the opposition?
d.
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