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> On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 8:55 AM, Jennifer Bell
> <
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>> I met with Micheal Lenczner at a coffee shop in April, and was
>> told that CivicAccess was a community of interest, with no
>> specific plans for the future.
>>
>
> I'm sorry for the miscommunication Jen. What I meant to say that it
> was my impression that CivicAccess had no immediate plans for any
> legal shape. I just think it's very important that people know what
> they are getting into - especially around areas of governance. I'm
> sure that there are projects or campaigns that can be done with/by
> Civicaccess, but I just didn't / don't see a CivicAccess office
> happening anytime soon, or even a board. It could happen, but someone
> would have to propose something clear. Also, I do believe that a
> neutral place of discussion and support is important for a movement
> like this.
>
>> There's nothing wrong with maintaining a separate 'community of
>> interest'... my impression was that CivicAccess seems to have a
>> broader focus than visiblegovernment, with more interest in
>> scientific data.
>>
>
> Well, Tracey does love scientific data. ;-) And yeah - we had early
> discussions about having access to government datasets, not just what
> we would think of as "info" in terms of freedom of information
> requests.
>
>
>> Jennifer
>>
>> --- On Tue, 7/8/08, Cory Horner <
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>>
>>> From: Cory Horner <
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>>> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Getting Tools Built
>>> To: "civicaccess discuss" <
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>>> Received: Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 2:38 AM
>>> A while back there was brief discussion about CivicAccess
>>> becoming an
>>> umbrella foundation/non-profit to conglomerate the various
>>> Canadian
>>> access-related projects. I see a real need/use for this,
>>> as i'm sure
>>> each little project has little interest in all the
>>> paperwork involved
>>> to achieve non-profit status, when all they want is a
>>> little
>>> financial support; sticking a little "a CivicAccess
>>> project" logo in
>>> the corner is a lot more appealing.
>>>
>>> To contrast the two examples given by Jennifer, I guess I
>>> see
>>> mySociety as a handful of people who built tools who then
>>> built a non-
>>> profit around it, versus Sunlight as a group with a bucket
>>> of money
>>> who then built tools. CivicAccess and VisibleGovernment
>>> seem to be
>>> taking the similar approaches, respectively.
>>>
>>> My question is, are CivicAccess and VisibleGovernment
>>> competing, or
>>> should we try to, for example, make CivicAccess the
>>> umbrella/
>>> community, and VisibleGovernment the fundraising wing? Is
>>> there is a
>>> difference that i'm not seeing here, besides branding?
>>> (or is having
>>> 2 entities too confusing?)
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Cory.
>>>
>>> On 7-Jul-08, at 1:11 PM, Jennifer Bell wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been thinking the last while about the best
>>> approach for
>>>> promoting the creation of online tools for government
>>>
>>>> transparency. The Sunlight Foundation in the US and
>>> mySociety in
>>>> the UK are showing that the government can be changed
>>> by example,
>>>> from the outside. It just takes people to push to
>>> make it happen.
>>>>
>>>> What will it take to get a similar movement going here
>>> in Canada?
>>>> As I know there are several people here with
>>> experience in similar
>>>> groups, I'd like to get your opinions.
>>>>
>>>> The ingredients, as I see them, are:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Money.
>>>> 2) A Community.
>>>> 3) A Tool.
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