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Re: Getting Tools Built

Posted by Cory Horner on Jul 08, 2008; 3:21pm
URL: http://civicaccess.416.s1.nabble.com/capitol-words-tp1130p1139.html

On 8-Jul-08, at 6:18 AM, Hugh McGuire wrote:

> Thus far civicaccess has been mostly an email list, and a wiki  
> outlining a idea/vision for data & the govt, pointing to various  
> projects and things of interest (probably a bit of spam too). I see  
> it as a useful gathering place, that *might* evolve into something  
> later - but after X months (years?) it has remained mostly an  
> occasional information swapping ground, and nothing more.
>
> ...our objectives, which are:
>
> 1. To encourage all levels of governments (county/municipal,  
> provincial, federal) to make civic data and information available  
> to citizens without restrictions, at no cost, and in useable open  
> formats.
> 2. To encourage the development of citizen projects using civic  
> data and information
>
> So i'd see visiblegovernment as a specific project that civicaccess  
> enthusiastically encourages (to the extent that visiblegovernment  
> does objective #2)  ... and civicaccess as a broader group that  
> cheers on & supports visiblegovernment and any number of other  
> interesting projects that come along.

Fair enough -- there can be two.

As to our objectives however, i'd have to say we've failed so far.  
We've encouraged, informed a little, and served as a placard to point  
to during a few talks, but I can't point at an achievement and say  
"CivicAccess" made this possible -- and i'd really *like* to.  
Perhaps a little structure is warranted, in order to drive the rather  
significant community that has formed into action.

Personally, i'd like to see the following happen:
- movement on CitySondage
- start a census petition and send it off to Parliament
- discussion on non-profit status (and gathering of resources to fuel  
initiatives)

Maybe we should start a monthly IRC chat to stir things up a little  
and get some more interaction happening...

Cheers,
Cory.