open data communities

[Ted Strauss]

Hello all,

I am a new subscriber to this group, perhaps among the new community of technologists

James mentioned who see opportunities to create great software with data. I am familiar

with some of the concerns of the older community, but certainly haven't considered those

concerns much when thinking about my own projects. If I had one question on this topic

it would be: What are the essential standards that a new tool should adopt to make it 

accessible -read marketable- to the older community.

Looking forward to following this and other topics.

Ted Strauss 

On 2012-03-08, at 2:05 PM, Glen Newton wrote:

> I agree with James (and his list is good but not exhaustive).

Indeed - I'm just making the point that there's a lot out there already :)

> Is there something missing (there might be) that these other efforts
> have not covered?

Re: this working group - in Tracey's summary of the Wednesday Harvey Low call, she mentioned drafting a document to describe the needs of developers re: open government data. In today's call, I mentioned that in the last several years, open data has attracted a new community to open government: that of developers, designers and other technologists who see an opportunity to create innovative software solutions to old problems. However, this community hasn't been talking much with older communities (as Tracey has brought up several times) like libraries, geomatics, community informatics, etc.

I think coming up with a strategy to bridge that gap will be hard. But a good first step (that shouldn't be too hard) would be to catalogue the needs and perspectives of the various communities. I think this may be missing from existing efforts. Such a document would help orient people from the various communities to take into account the interests of the others. I think CCSD has congregated people from many of these communities, so now is a great opportunity to write such a document. They are already receiving written submissions from various parties, which at least implicitly convey some needs and values of that community.

Anyway, it would help to know what the plan is for this document. Is it just for Harvey Low to read, to better prepare him to represent Canadian civil society in Brazil? Or is there a desire to publish something for wider circulation? If it's just for Harvey Low, then a summary of what's out there in terms of open data standards/practices is totally acceptable.

James



> Perhaps it is all there but not well organized for a particular
> audience, so a meta-document is needed?
>
> -Glen
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks for taking the initiative, Richard.
>>
>> First, I think it's important to recognize that this isn't the first time a
>> group has put together an open data standards/best practices document. Some
>> of the most cited are:
>>
>> Open data principles
>> http://sunlightfoundation.com/policy/documents/ten-open-data-principles/
>> http://opendefinition.org/okd/
>> http://www.opengovdata.org/home/8principles
>> http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/repository/mon/24005/301553.pdf
>>
>> OKFN has done a lot of great work on this. They have a very active working
>> group and mailing list: http://wiki.okfn.org/Wg/government which has
>> published http://opendatahandbook.org/en/
>>
>> Karl didn't mention, but W3C has done a lot of work, too, through its
>> interest group: http://www.w3.org/egov/
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/
>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html
>>
>> The EU has formalized many best practices as directives, for
>> example: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/docs/pdfs/directive/psi_directive_en.pdf UK
>> is very active here, too.
>>
>> The White House also has directives and best practices for governments,
>> like:
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/documents/open-government-directive
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/toolkit
>>
>> In Canada, Privacy and Information Commissioners have a wealth of great
>> papers, too. The recent open data consultation may offer best practices,
>> too: http://www.open.gc.ca/consult/wwh-cr-eng.asp with notable submissions
>> at http://datalibre.ca/2012/01/17/open-government-submissions/
>>
>> So, what's our goal? Governments, NGOs, standards groups, and civil society
>> organizations have already published a great number of papers on open data
>> standards and best practices. I don't think it's useful to repeat that work.
>> Do we know the material well enough to make a good quality
>> summary/explainer? Or should we instead be addressing topics that others
>> haven't yet addressed much? Is there a distinctly "Canadian" perspective we
>> can offer? In short, what can we bring to the table?
>>
>> Organizationally, is this just a small scrum to give Harvey Low a document
>> to bring to Brazil for the Open Government Partnership event? Or do you
>> haver longer-term ideas in mind?
>>
>> Looking forward to collaborating,
>>
>> --
>> James McKinney
>> Open North
>> <a href="tel:%2B1.514.247.0223" value="[phone]">+1.514.247.0223
>> http://opennorth.ca/
>> http://citizenbudget.com/ interactive budget consultations for
>> municipalities
>> [hidden email]
>> Twitter: @opennorth
>> Subscribe to our newsletter
>>
>> On 2012-03-08, at 12:14 PM, Richard Pietro wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In the spirit of having a concerted effort towards developing a solid
>> document for OpenData Standards/Best Practices, I'd like to create a Working
>> Group using GoogleDocs.
>>
>> My question is......who would like to be part of this working group and have
>> access to the Google Doc?  Please send me your email info directly at
>> [hidden email] so I can "share" the document with you :-)
>>
>> Thanks and have yourselves a great one!
>>
>>
>> @richardpietro
>> Co-Founder - CitizenBridge.org
>> Tel:  <a href="tel:[phone]" value="[phone]">647-760-1540  |  Email:  [hidden email]
>>
>>
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:20:09 -0500
From: Glen Newton <[hidden email]>
To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Working Group - OpenData
       Standards/Best  Practices
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Yes, you need to clarify what you are looking for, otherwise
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22open+data%22+autralia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#hl=en&gs_nf=1&tok=WN3e-CYSHKwkzkhDQd6QNQ&pq=%22open+data%22+best+practices&cp=28&gs_id=x9&xhr=t&q=%22open+data%22+%22best+practices%22&pf=p&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22open+data%22+%22best+practices%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=11473130a0d738ee&biw=1281&bih=855

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On 2012-03-08, at 2:05 PM, Glen Newton wrote:
>
>> I agree with James (and his list is good but not exhaustive).
>
> Indeed - I'm just making the point that there's a lot out there already :)
>
>> Is there something missing (there might be) that these other efforts
>> have not covered?
>
> Re: this working group - in Tracey's summary of the Wednesday Harvey Low call, she mentioned drafting a document to describe the needs of developers re: open government data. In today's call, I mentioned that in the last several years, open data has attracted a new community to open government: that of developers, designers and other technologists who see an opportunity to create innovative software solutions to old problems. However, this community hasn't been talking much with older communities (as Tracey has brought up several times) like libraries, geomatics, community informatics, etc.
>
> I think coming up with a strategy to bridge that gap will be hard. But a good first step (that shouldn't be too hard) would be to catalogue the needs and perspectives of the various communities. I think this may be missing from existing efforts. Such a document would help orient people from the various communities to take into account the interests of the others. I think CCSD has congregated people from many of these communities, so now is a great opportunity to write such a document. They are already receiving written submissions from various parties, which at least implicitly convey some needs and values of that community.
>
> Anyway, it would help to know what the plan is for this document. Is it just for Harvey Low to read, to better prepare him to represent Canadian civil society in Brazil? Or is there a desire to publish something for wider circulation? If it's just for Harvey Low, then a summary of what's out there in terms of open data standards/practices is totally acceptable.
>
> James
>
>
>
>> Perhaps it is all there but not well organized for a particular
>> audience, so a meta-document is needed?
>>
>> -Glen
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Thanks for taking the initiative, Richard.
>>>
>>> First, I think it's important to recognize that this isn't the first time a
>>> group has put together an open data standards/best practices document. Some
>>> of the most cited are:
>>>
>>> Open data principles
>>> http://sunlightfoundation.com/policy/documents/ten-open-data-principles/
>>> http://opendefinition.org/okd/
>>> http://www.opengovdata.org/home/8principles
>>> http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/repository/mon/24005/301553.pdf
>>>
>>> OKFN has done a lot of great work on this. They have a very active working
>>> group and mailing list: http://wiki.okfn.org/Wg/government which has
>>> published http://opendatahandbook.org/en/
>>>
>>> Karl didn't mention, but W3C has done a lot of work, too, through its
>>> interest group: http://www.w3.org/egov/
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/
>>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html
>>>
>>> The EU has formalized many best practices as directives, for
>>> example: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/docs/pdfs/directive/psi_directive_en.pdf UK
>>> is very active here, too.
>>>
>>> The White House also has directives and best practices for governments,
>>> like:
>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/documents/open-government-directive
>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/toolkit
>>>
>>> In Canada, Privacy and Information Commissioners have a wealth of great
>>> papers, too. The recent open data consultation may offer best practices,
>>> too: http://www.open.gc.ca/consult/wwh-cr-eng.asp with notable submissions
>>> at http://datalibre.ca/2012/01/17/open-government-submissions/
>>>
>>> So, what's our goal? Governments, NGOs, standards groups, and civil society
>>> organizations have already published a great number of papers on open data
>>> standards and best practices. I don't think it's useful to repeat that work.
>>> Do we know the material well enough to make a good quality
>>> summary/explainer? Or should we instead be addressing topics that others
>>> haven't yet addressed much? Is there a distinctly "Canadian" perspective we
>>> can offer? In short, what can we bring to the table?
>>>
>>> Organizationally, is this just a small scrum to give Harvey Low a document
>>> to bring to Brazil for the Open Government Partnership event? Or do you
>>> haver longer-term ideas in mind?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to collaborating,
>>>
>>> --
>>> James McKinney
>>> Open North
>>> <a href="tel:%2B1.514.247.0223" value="[phone]">+1.514.247.0223
>>> http://opennorth.ca/
>>> http://citizenbudget.com/ interactive budget consultations for
>>> municipalities
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Twitter: @opennorth
>>> Subscribe to our newsletter
>>>
>>> On 2012-03-08, at 12:14 PM, Richard Pietro wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In the spirit of having a concerted effort towards developing a solid
>>> document for OpenData Standards/Best Practices, I'd like to create a Working
>>> Group using GoogleDocs.
>>>
>>> My question is......who would like to be part of this working group and have
>>> access to the Google Doc? ?Please send me your email info directly at
>>> [hidden email] so I can "share" the document with you :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks and have yourselves a great one!
>>>
>>>
>>> @richardpietro
>>> Co-Founder - CitizenBridge.org
>>> Tel: ?<a href="tel:[phone]" value="[phone]">647-760-1540 ?| ?Email: ?[hidden email]
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
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>>>
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 13:55:28 -0500
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Another great call today!

Detailed notes to follow, here are action items, links, and people on the
call.  I

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*Action items:

FYI - these can be links, slides with notes & images, text, letters, etc.
Please ensure we have your full coordinates!  & Let me know if I forgot
anything.

- Vincent - *Will share Access 101 notes, letters and submissions and
relevant URLs on the right to access*
- Catherine - *Will point to web access initiatives, her work on the
mapping project, and standards.
*- St?phane* - The benefits of gov funding in open data projects and of
standards and building in interoperability, also notes on the mapping
accessible w/catherine
*- James - *Can you prepare some slides on your projects & what open north
is?  Be sure to have your contact info&URL& logo etc. on each slide.  Ideas
on needs for NGOs in this space, and cross disciplinary collaboration in
Open Data and Open Gov.
*- Richard -* started standards group & will share results
*- Andrew, Nathalie & Co. York Region -* share your ideas on cross
municipal collaboration and the sharing of best practices, recommendations
and needs to move forward.  Please can you include something about MISA and
inter-ontario ad hoc work you are doing.
*- Oriana - *Share some ideas of open gov & open data with an
info-management and archival lens?  And best practices, tools and policy
documents including your appraisal benchmark process re-privacy & security.
IPC and access by design principles and related resources.
*- Kathryn - *What would you as a member of the association or the
association like to have as a position? Please send your census doc or any
other data related submissions or letters.
*- Tara - *Would the CAG have a position or would any sub groups of the CAG
have a submission or ideas to share in this process.  Please share the
census submission.
*- Sheila & Pam - *Can you share your position on re-seeing people with
disabilities in the numbers, can you provide some notes on the datasets
that are there and a few notes on their shortcomings and what it means to
not be counted.  ALso, ideas on how to support the democratic engagement in
public policy deliberations for people with disabilities.
*- Diane* Woodgreen - Toronto Wellbeing, what does it mean to have info
accessible in that way to community groups?
*- Harvey & Tracey - *are preparing notes
*- Tracey* will connect Pam, Sheila & Catherine together & will share back
the IPC principles to you for evaluatio
*
Links
*
A) *CCSD - OGP Page *where note & Info will be posted -
http://www.ccsd.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=53&Itemid=228&lang=en
b) *OGP list of civil society groups attending *-
http://www.opengovpartnership.org/news/ogp-funding-decisions-civil-society-groups-attend-ogp-annual-meeting-2012

*Thus. Civil Society Call Participants (Let me know if I missed anyone &
Please email me your full coordinates):*

Nathalie Hui, York Region, CPD, FCM & Open Data Pilot
Tara Vinodrai, Canadian Association of Geographers
Sheila Subramanian, CMHA Ontario
Susan Chin Snelgrove, York Region
-Pam, CMHA Ontario (email?)
Kathryn Wilkins, Canadian Society for Epidemiology and Biostatistics
Richard Pietro, Citizen Bridge
James McKinney, Open North
Valentyn Kliuchnyk, York Region
Andrew Satterthwaite, York Region Open Data Pilot
Catherine Roy, Independent, Disability Access to Web and Technology
Vincent Gogolek, BC Freedom of Information and Privacy Association
David Eaves, Independent Open Data and Open Government Advocate
Oriana Sharp, Manager, Information Management and Archives , Archives of
Region of Waterloo, Region of Waterloo Open Data
Diane Dyson, Woodgreen
Stephane Guidon, ZoneCone
Harvey Low, CDP
Tracey Lauriault, civicaccess.ca

*Individual calls made, calls received & positions received:*
Treasury Board of Canada, Stephen Walker
DFAIT, Niall Cronin
David Eaves, Independent open data entrepreneur
Mark Weiler
Michael Gurnstein
Democracy Watch, letter received

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[michael gurstein]

Hi Ted,

 

This isn't quite the answer that you are looking for but maybe close as a partial answer to your question...

 

[Blogpost] Community Informatics and Older Persons: The Necessary Connection <http://gurstein.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/community-informatics-and-older-persons-the-necessary-connection/>

and  The Journal of Community Informatics Special Issue: Community Informatics and Older Persons Table of Contents http://ci-journal.net/index.php/ciej/issue/view/33

Comments/critiques are of course welcom...

Mike

 -----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Ted Strauss
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2012 7:08 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] open data communities

Hello all,

I am a new subscriber to this group, perhaps among the new community of technologists

James mentioned who see opportunities to create great software with data. I am familiar

with some of the concerns of the older community, but certainly haven't considered those

concerns much when thinking about my own projects. If I had one question on this topic

it would be: What are the essential standards that a new tool should adopt to make it 

accessible -read marketable- to the older community.

Looking forward to following this and other topics.

Ted Strauss 

On 2012-03-08, at 2:05 PM, Glen Newton wrote:

> I agree with James (and his list is good but not exhaustive).

Indeed - I'm just making the point that there's a lot out there already :)

> Is there something missing (there might be) that these other efforts
> have not covered?

Re: this working group - in Tracey's summary of the Wednesday Harvey Low call, she mentioned drafting a document to describe the needs of developers re: open government data. In today's call, I mentioned that in the last several years, open data has attracted a new community to open government: that of developers, designers and other technologists who see an opportunity to create innovative software solutions to old problems. However, this community hasn't been talking much with older communities (as Tracey has brought up several times) like libraries, geomatics, community informatics, etc.

I think coming up with a strategy to bridge that gap will be hard. But a good first step (that shouldn't be too hard) would be to catalogue the needs and perspectives of the various communities. I think this may be missing from existing efforts. Such a document would help orient people from the various communities to take into account the interests of the others. I think CCSD has congregated people from many of these communities, so now is a great opportunity to write such a document. They are already receiving written submissions from various parties, which at least implicitly convey some needs and values of that community.

Anyway, it would help to know what the plan is for this document. Is it just for Harvey Low to read, to better prepare him to represent Canadian civil society in Brazil? Or is there a desire to publish something for wider circulation? If it's just for Harvey Low, then a summary of what's out there in terms of open data standards/practices is totally acceptable.

James

> Perhaps it is all there but not well organized for a particular
> audience, so a meta-document is needed?
>
> -Glen
>
> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Thanks for taking the initiative, Richard.
>>
>> First, I think it's important to recognize that this isn't the first time a
>> group has put together an open data standards/best practices document. Some
>> of the most cited are:
>>
>> Open data principles
>> http://sunlightfoundation.com/policy/documents/ten-open-data-principles/
>> http://opendefinition.org/okd/
>> http://www.opengovdata.org/home/8principles
>> http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/repository/mon/24005/301553.pdf
>>
>> OKFN has done a lot of great work on this. They have a very active working
>> group and mailing list: http://wiki.okfn.org/Wg/government which has
>> published http://opendatahandbook.org/en/
>>
>> Karl didn't mention, but W3C has done a lot of work, too, through its
>> interest group: http://www.w3.org/egov/
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/
>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html
>>
>> The EU has formalized many best practices as directives, for
>> example: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/docs/pdfs/directive/psi_directive_en.pdf UK
>> is very active here, too.
>>
>> The White House also has directives and best practices for governments,
>> like:
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/documents/open-government-directive
>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/toolkit
>>
>> In Canada, Privacy and Information Commissioners have a wealth of great
>> papers, too. The recent open data consultation may offer best practices,
>> too: http://www.open.gc.ca/consult/wwh-cr-eng.asp with notable submissions
>> at http://datalibre.ca/2012/01/17/open-government-submissions/
>>
>> So, what's our goal? Governments, NGOs, standards groups, and civil society
>> organizations have already published a great number of papers on open data
>> standards and best practices. I don't think it's useful to repeat that work.
>> Do we know the material well enough to make a good quality
>> summary/explainer? Or should we instead be addressing topics that others
>> haven't yet addressed much? Is there a distinctly "Canadian" perspective we
>> can offer? In short, what can we bring to the table?
>>
>> Organizationally, is this just a small scrum to give Harvey Low a document
>> to bring to Brazil for the Open Government Partnership event? Or do you
>> haver longer-term ideas in mind?
>>
>> Looking forward to collaborating,
>>
>> --
>> James McKinney
>> Open North
>> <A href="tel:%2B1.514.247.0223" value="[phone]">+1.514.247.0223
>> http://opennorth.ca/
>> http://citizenbudget.com/ interactive budget consultations for
>> municipalities
>> [hidden email]
>> Twitter: @opennorth
>> Subscribe to our newsletter
>>
>> On 2012-03-08, at 12:14 PM, Richard Pietro wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In the spirit of having a concerted effort towards developing a solid
>> document for OpenData Standards/Best Practices, I'd like to create a Working
>> Group using GoogleDocs.
>>
>> My question is......who would like to be part of this working group and have
>> access to the Google Doc?  Please send me your email info directly at
>> [hidden email] so I can "share" the document with you :-)
>>
>> Thanks and have yourselves a great one!
>>
>>
>> @richardpietro
>> Co-Founder - CitizenBridge.org
>> Tel:  <A href="tel:[phone]" value="[phone]">647-760-1540  |  Email:  [hidden email]
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
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Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 14:20:09 -0500
From: Glen Newton <[hidden email]>
To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Working Group - OpenData
       Standards/Best  Practices
Message-ID:
       <[hidden email]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Yes, you need to clarify what you are looking for, otherwise
https://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=%22open+data%22+autralia&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#hl=en&gs_nf=1&tok=WN3e-CYSHKwkzkhDQd6QNQ&pq=%22open+data%22+best+practices&cp=28&gs_id=x9&xhr=t&q=%22open+data%22+%22best+practices%22&pf=p&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&sclient=psy-ab&oq=%22open+data%22+%22best+practices%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=11473130a0d738ee&biw=1281&bih=855

On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:16 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2012-03-08, at 2:05 PM, Glen Newton wrote:
>
>> I agree with James (and his list is good but not exhaustive).
>
> Indeed - I'm just making the point that there's a lot out there already :)
>
>> Is there something missing (there might be) that these other efforts
>> have not covered?
>
> Re: this working group - in Tracey's summary of the Wednesday Harvey Low call, she mentioned drafting a document to describe the needs of developers re: open government data. In today's call, I mentioned that in the last several years, open data has attracted a new community to open government: that of developers, designers and other technologists who see an opportunity to create innovative software solutions to old problems. However, this community hasn't been talking much with older communities (as Tracey has brought up several times) like libraries, geomatics, community informatics, etc.
>
> I think coming up with a strategy to bridge that gap will be hard. But a good first step (that shouldn't be too hard) would be to catalogue the needs and perspectives of the various communities. I think this may be missing from existing efforts. Such a document would help orient people from the various communities to take into account the interests of the others. I think CCSD has congregated people from many of these communities, so now is a great opportunity to write such a document. They are already receiving written submissions from various parties, which at least implicitly convey some needs and values of that community.
>
> Anyway, it would help to know what the plan is for this document. Is it just for Harvey Low to read, to better prepare him to represent Canadian civil society in Brazil? Or is there a desire to publish something for wider circulation? If it's just for Harvey Low, then a summary of what's out there in terms of open data standards/practices is totally acceptable.
>
> James
>
>
>
>> Perhaps it is all there but not well organized for a particular
>> audience, so a meta-document is needed?
>>
>> -Glen
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 1:53 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>> Thanks for taking the initiative, Richard.
>>>
>>> First, I think it's important to recognize that this isn't the first time a
>>> group has put together an open data standards/best practices document. Some
>>> of the most cited are:
>>>
>>> Open data principles
>>> http://sunlightfoundation.com/policy/documents/ten-open-data-principles/
>>> http://opendefinition.org/okd/
>>> http://www.opengovdata.org/home/8principles
>>> http://www.ontla.on.ca/library/repository/mon/24005/301553.pdf
>>>
>>> OKFN has done a lot of great work on this. They have a very active working
>>> group and mailing list: http://wiki.okfn.org/Wg/government which has
>>> published http://opendatahandbook.org/en/
>>>
>>> Karl didn't mention, but W3C has done a lot of work, too, through its
>>> interest group: http://www.w3.org/egov/
>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/gov-data/
>>> http://www.w3.org/DesignIssues/GovData.html
>>>
>>> The EU has formalized many best practices as directives, for
>>> example: http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/policy/psi/docs/pdfs/directive/psi_directive_en.pdf UK
>>> is very active here, too.
>>>
>>> The White House also has directives and best practices for governments,
>>> like:
>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/documents/open-government-directive
>>> http://www.whitehouse.gov/open/toolkit
>>>
>>> In Canada, Privacy and Information Commissioners have a wealth of great
>>> papers, too. The recent open data consultation may offer best practices,
>>> too: http://www.open.gc.ca/consult/wwh-cr-eng.asp with notable submissions
>>> at http://datalibre.ca/2012/01/17/open-government-submissions/
>>>
>>> So, what's our goal? Governments, NGOs, standards groups, and civil society
>>> organizations have already published a great number of papers on open data
>>> standards and best practices. I don't think it's useful to repeat that work.
>>> Do we know the material well enough to make a good quality
>>> summary/explainer? Or should we instead be addressing topics that others
>>> haven't yet addressed much? Is there a distinctly "Canadian" perspective we
>>> can offer? In short, what can we bring to the table?
>>>
>>> Organizationally, is this just a small scrum to give Harvey Low a document
>>> to bring to Brazil for the Open Government Partnership event? Or do you
>>> haver longer-term ideas in mind?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to collaborating,
>>>
>>> --
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>>> On 2012-03-08, at 12:14 PM, Richard Pietro wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In the spirit of having a concerted effort towards developing a solid
>>> document for OpenData Standards/Best Practices, I'd like to create a Working
>>> Group using GoogleDocs.
>>>
>>> My question is......who would like to be part of this working group and have
>>> access to the Google Doc? ?Please send me your email info directly at
>>> [hidden email] so I can "share" the document with you :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks and have yourselves a great one!
>>>
>>>
>>> @richardpietro
>>> Co-Founder - CitizenBridge.org
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Another great call today!

Detailed notes to follow, here are action items, links, and people on the
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Please ensure we have your full coordinates!  & Let me know if I forgot
anything.

- Vincent - *Will share Access 101 notes, letters and submissions and
relevant URLs on the right to access*
- Catherine - *Will point to web access initiatives, her work on the
mapping project, and standards.
*- St?phane* - The benefits of gov funding in open data projects and of
standards and building in interoperability, also notes on the mapping
accessible w/catherine
*- James - *Can you prepare some slides on your projects & what open north
is?  Be sure to have your contact info&URL& logo etc. on each slide.  Ideas
on needs for NGOs in this space, and cross disciplinary collaboration in
Open Data and Open Gov.
*- Richard -* started standards group & will share results
*- Andrew, Nathalie & Co. York Region -* share your ideas on cross
municipal collaboration and the sharing of best practices, recommendations
and needs to move forward.  Please can you include something about MISA and
inter-ontario ad hoc work you are doing.
*- Oriana - *Share some ideas of open gov & open data with an
info-management and archival lens?  And best practices, tools and policy
documents including your appraisal benchmark process re-privacy & security.
IPC and access by design principles and related resources.
*- Kathryn - *What would you as a member of the association or the
association like to have as a position? Please send your census doc or any
other data related submissions or letters.
*- Tara - *Would the CAG have a position or would any sub groups of the CAG
have a submission or ideas to share in this process.  Please share the
census submission.
*- Sheila & Pam - *Can you share your position on re-seeing people with
disabilities in the numbers, can you provide some notes on the datasets
that are there and a few notes on their shortcomings and what it means to
not be counted.  ALso, ideas on how to support the democratic engagement in
public policy deliberations for people with disabilities.
*- Diane* Woodgreen - Toronto Wellbeing, what does it mean to have info
accessible in that way to community groups?
*- Harvey & Tracey - *are preparing notes
*- Tracey* will connect Pam, Sheila & Catherine together & will share back
the IPC principles to you for evaluatio
*
Links
*
A) *CCSD - OGP Page *where note & Info will be posted -
http://www.ccsd.ca/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=53&Itemid=228&lang=en
b) *OGP list of civil society groups attending *-
http://www.opengovpartnership.org/news/ogp-funding-decisions-civil-society-groups-attend-ogp-annual-meeting-2012

*Thus. Civil Society Call Participants (Let me know if I missed anyone &
Please email me your full coordinates):*

Nathalie Hui, York Region, CPD, FCM & Open Data Pilot
Tara Vinodrai, Canadian Association of Geographers
Sheila Subramanian, CMHA Ontario
Susan Chin Snelgrove, York Region
-Pam, CMHA Ontario (email?)
Kathryn Wilkins, Canadian Society for Epidemiology and Biostatistics
Richard Pietro, Citizen Bridge
James McKinney, Open North
Valentyn Kliuchnyk, York Region
Andrew Satterthwaite, York Region Open Data Pilot
Catherine Roy, Independent, Disability Access to Web and Technology
Vincent Gogolek, BC Freedom of Information and Privacy Association
David Eaves, Independent Open Data and Open Government Advocate
Oriana Sharp, Manager, Information Management and Archives , Archives of
Region of Waterloo, Region of Waterloo Open Data
Diane Dyson, Woodgreen
Stephane Guidon, ZoneCone
Harvey Low, CDP
Tracey Lauriault, civicaccess.ca

*Individual calls made, calls received & positions received:*
Treasury Board of Canada, Stephen Walker
DFAIT, Niall Cronin
David Eaves, Independent open data entrepreneur
Mark Weiler
Michael Gurnstein
Democracy Watch, letter received

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