link to MP from ISF pages

[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

OK!
If I understand then.

I pick which online newswires, blogs or sites I like, I do an RSS thing
with it, and the types of stories I like or topics I want to follow come
to me instead of me coming to them.  Thus, what michael's is asking for,
is an RSS thing from the MPs sites, so that digital records of their
activities come to ISF pages once a month along with all the other good
stuff that shows up there (

http://auth.ilesansfil.org/portal/index.php?gw_id=19)?

So a user would open the page, and once a month would get a batch of
political updates?

and if i am correct, there is chat about doing this RSS bit by electoral
district?  So maybe we could track opinions, decisions, etc. on a map?

If that is so, then WhooHoooo! Sounds great!

Stephane Guidoin wrote:

>Just to clarify a little more. Both RSS (commonly known as "feed") and
>XSLT (known as webservice) are used to allow other websites and clients
>to read data from internet/websites without going onto the web.
>
>Differences :
>RSS/Feed : People can only read a set of data that are provided in the
>feed. For example, when you have some AP/Reuters news on your favorite
>website, it's probably thanks to a RSS feed. There is also many
>application used to read RSS from a computer (for example to read news
>and blogs without speding hours of browsing)
>
>XSLT/Webservice : Instead of reading, webservices allows interaction.
>Then it's possible to read, request specific data, even modify/create data.
>
>Both of those technologies allow websites to become more than that : a
>plateform ; other websites and applications can use the data just to
>promote them or to create something new. To me, this vision fits with
>what "How'd they vote" is in terms of diffusions of political contents.
>
>Cory, for the moment, I'd say RSS feed could be enough. It's easier to
>set up and can bring all the data needed.
>
>Bye
>
>Stef
>
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>

[Russell McOrmond-2]

Stephane Guidoin wrote:
> Just one question : what is EDID ?

   Electoral District ID.


Longer version:

   It is a number that Elections Canada sets for each federal electoral
district.  For Ontario, they also match the provincial ridings as
Ontario uses the same boundaries.

   It is a 5 digit number where the first 2 digits indicate the
province, and the last 3 digits are a count within the province of the
riding.


   I use these numbers on digital-copyright.ca to create a Drupal
taxonomy that allows you to browse by province to get to a specific
district.

http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid     - List of provinces
http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid/35  - List of districts in Ontario

http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid/35068  - Parkdale High-park

Listing of districts in Ontario (Note Prov= )
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/ListedByProvince.aspx?L=e&Prov=ON&QID=-1&PageID=10

Elections Canada Electoral district profile for Parkdale High-park (Note
the ED= )
http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/Profile.aspx?L=e&ED=35068&EV=25

   There is a lot of information that is keyed to this district number,
and it is useful to always include this number whenever we are building
data that is based on federal ridings.

   You do need to have some sort of a time indication as the numbers
change when the boundaries are redrawn from time to time (Most recent by
the "2003 Representation Order").

> Stéphane

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[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

wonderful!

Russell McOrmond wrote:

>Stephane Guidoin wrote:
>  
>
>>Just one question : what is EDID ?
>>    
>>
>
>   Electoral District ID.
>
>
>Longer version:
>
>   It is a number that Elections Canada sets for each federal electoral
>district.  For Ontario, they also match the provincial ridings as
>Ontario uses the same boundaries.
>
>   It is a 5 digit number where the first 2 digits indicate the
>province, and the last 3 digits are a count within the province of the
>riding.
>
>
>   I use these numbers on digital-copyright.ca to create a Drupal
>taxonomy that allows you to browse by province to get to a specific
>district.
>
>http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid     - List of provinces
>http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid/35  - List of districts in Ontario
>
>http://www.digital-copyright.ca/edid/35068  - Parkdale High-park
>
>Listing of districts in Ontario (Note Prov= )
>http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/ListedByProvince.aspx?L=e&Prov=ON&QID=-1&PageID=10
>
>Elections Canada Electoral district profile for Parkdale High-park (Note
>the ED= )
>http://www.elections.ca/scripts/pss/Profile.aspx?L=e&ED=35068&EV=25
>
>   There is a lot of information that is keyed to this district number,
>and it is useful to always include this number whenever we are building
>data that is based on federal ridings.
>
>   You do need to have some sort of a time indication as the numbers
>change when the boundaries are redrawn from time to time (Most recent by
>the "2003 Representation Order").
>
>  
>
>>Stéphane
>>    
>>
>
>  
>

[Daniel Haran]

Hi,

I just heard back from Herschell Sax at Elections Canada (first dot
last at elections dot ca). After asking about using shapefiles in a
WMS* or in a Google Maps mashup:

"People are free to use the shapefiles for their own applications.
Should you wish to use boundaries files in a product for commercial
distribution, we would want to have an idea of what the application
will do.  On our part, we would most likely want you to credit
Elections Canada for the boundary files. Again, it all depends on
where you want to go with it.  Hope this helps."

It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't simply
download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with free
maps :)

-Daniel.

*That's a Web Map Server for all you non-techs ;) You can use the data
from several WMS' to create a single dynamic map.

On 2/1/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

> While I do not like the line:
>
> "You may not use any part of the data product to develop or derive any other data product for distribution or commercial sale, without a license to do so."
>
> I can see why they are doing it, namely they want to track any product that has that official "Government of Canada" stamp on it.  The people who set up Geo gratis did get some resistance to their program when they set it up and this was the compromise.  Their fears are that someone or a group will create a nefarious map (ill use!), and the data source would be traced back to them and then there would be a scandal and so on!
>
> I am looking forward to hearing whether or not you will get the license for distribution on the web server.
>
> Tracey
>
> Daniel Haran wrote:
>
> >I just read the license here:
> >http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/download/electoral/2004/licence.txt
> >
> >If I read that right, a postal code conversion file would require
> >permission too. That's insane.
> >
> >*shakes head*
> >
> >I'm going to ask right now.
> >
> >On 2/1/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Cory;
> >>I can enquire about licensing at Geogratis if you like?
> >>
> >>Tracey
> >>
> >>[hidden email] wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Quoting Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]>:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>so cory - what do you think?  do you know if / when you will have such
> >>>>capabilities?  Are you currently working on the project?  - i'm sure
> >>>>that time is an issue in terms of doing unpaid work.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>It sounds great... i'd like to do it ASAP, but free time is an issue.
> >>>Fortunately adding new features is more fun than rewriting old ones, so
> >>>you
> >>>guys are in luck.  We're planning more overhauls on our database and code, so
> >>>structure is likely to change.  Identifying MPs by a seemingly-random integer
> >>>isn't any good -- i'd like to have a few options, perhaps by name, EDID, or
> >>>anything else you guys would like.
> >>>
> >>>Things i'm considering:
> >>>- hosting a Web Map Server (WMS) with the voting/attendance/etc data themed
> >>>- providing a lat/long --> EDID / MP lookup service
> >>>- improved RSS
> >>>
> >>>We do have RSS, but it is rather weak at the moment:
> >>>http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/rss-info.php
> >>>
> >>>I intend to use the geogratis 2004 shapefile, but will need permission
> >>>to run it
> >>>for the WMS (horray!, free data that we aren't allowed to actually
> >>>_use_). Doing the lat/long --> EDID lookup I can likely get away with,
> >>>without
> >>>permission -- since i'm not really reproducing their data (but since i'm
> >>>already getting permission...).
> >>>
> >>>We're definitely getting provincial data as well (in a few months), so
> >>>it makes
> >>>sense to provide these integrated services.
> >>>
> >>>XSLT I don't know anything about... will research as time permits.
> >>>
> >>>Anyways, i'd love more input...
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Cory.
> >>>
> >>>
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[Michael Lenczner]

On 2/3/06, Daniel Haran <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi,
<snip>
> *That's a Web Map Server for all you non-techs ;) You can use the data
> from several WMS' to create a single dynamic map.
>
<snip>

I really appreciate people doing this kind of explanation. I would be
considered a "tech" but I still didn't really know what WMS's were.

And the same explanation from the policy, gov, and academics is appreciated

[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

Nice! Glad you can use em!

Daniel Haran wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I just heard back from Herschell Sax at Elections Canada (first dot
>last at elections dot ca). After asking about using shapefiles in a
>WMS* or in a Google Maps mashup:
>
>"People are free to use the shapefiles for their own applications.
>Should you wish to use boundaries files in a product for commercial
>distribution, we would want to have an idea of what the application
>will do.  On our part, we would most likely want you to credit
>Elections Canada for the boundary files. Again, it all depends on
>where you want to go with it.  Hope this helps."
>
>It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
>idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
>send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
>somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't simply
>download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with free
>maps :)
>
>-Daniel.
>
>*That's a Web Map Server for all you non-techs ;) You can use the data
>from several WMS' to create a single dynamic map.
>
>On 2/1/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  
>
>>While I do not like the line:
>>
>>"You may not use any part of the data product to develop or derive any other data product for distribution or commercial sale, without a license to do so."
>>
>>I can see why they are doing it, namely they want to track any product that has that official "Government of Canada" stamp on it.  The people who set up Geo gratis did get some resistance to their program when they set it up and this was the compromise.  Their fears are that someone or a group will create a nefarious map (ill use!), and the data source would be traced back to them and then there would be a scandal and so on!
>>
>>I am looking forward to hearing whether or not you will get the license for distribution on the web server.
>>
>>Tracey
>>
>>Daniel Haran wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I just read the license here:
>>>http://geogratis.cgdi.gc.ca/download/electoral/2004/licence.txt
>>>
>>>If I read that right, a postal code conversion file would require
>>>permission too. That's insane.
>>>
>>>*shakes head*
>>>
>>>I'm going to ask right now.
>>>
>>>On 2/1/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Cory;
>>>>I can enquire about licensing at Geogratis if you like?
>>>>
>>>>Tracey
>>>>
>>>>[hidden email] wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Quoting Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]>:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
>>>>>>so cory - what do you think?  do you know if / when you will have such
>>>>>>capabilities?  Are you currently working on the project?  - i'm sure
>>>>>>that time is an issue in terms of doing unpaid work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>            
>>>>>>
>>>>>It sounds great... i'd like to do it ASAP, but free time is an issue.
>>>>>Fortunately adding new features is more fun than rewriting old ones, so
>>>>>you
>>>>>guys are in luck.  We're planning more overhauls on our database and code, so
>>>>>structure is likely to change.  Identifying MPs by a seemingly-random integer
>>>>>isn't any good -- i'd like to have a few options, perhaps by name, EDID, or
>>>>>anything else you guys would like.
>>>>>
>>>>>Things i'm considering:
>>>>>- hosting a Web Map Server (WMS) with the voting/attendance/etc data themed
>>>>>- providing a lat/long --> EDID / MP lookup service
>>>>>- improved RSS
>>>>>
>>>>>We do have RSS, but it is rather weak at the moment:
>>>>>http://www.howdtheyvote.ca/rss-info.php
>>>>>
>>>>>I intend to use the geogratis 2004 shapefile, but will need permission
>>>>>to run it
>>>>>for the WMS (horray!, free data that we aren't allowed to actually
>>>>>_use_). Doing the lat/long --> EDID lookup I can likely get away with,
>>>>>without
>>>>>permission -- since i'm not really reproducing their data (but since i'm
>>>>>already getting permission...).
>>>>>
>>>>>We're definitely getting provincial data as well (in a few months), so
>>>>>it makes
>>>>>sense to provide these integrated services.
>>>>>
>>>>>XSLT I don't know anything about... will research as time permits.
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyways, i'd love more input...
>>>>>
>>>>>Cheers,
>>>>>Cory.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>>>>[hidden email]
>>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>>>
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>>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
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>  
>

[Russell McOrmond-2]

Daniel Haran wrote:
> It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
> idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
> send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
> somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't
> simply download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with
> free maps :)

   This is what is expected, and is one huge leap forward.  It is
effectively an Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Canada license, which would
be great for Elections Canada to document formally with a license rather
than via a "verbal"-like agreement.

http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ca/

   Releasing the information into the public domain, where commercial
uses can be made of it without interacting with Elections Canada, would
surprise me.  It is an ideal goal (It is what the US does), but it is a
big change from the draconian license used for the PCFRF (Postal Code to
Federal Riding) data file.

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[Hugh McGuire]

Hi-
I don't know where this falls into this discussion & if it's relevant.
but my main interest of late has been audio & what's going to happen on
the net. one of my big hopes is that uni profs start putting their
lectures online. there's the question of IP though, who owns those
lectures: the university? the prof? the tax-payers who finance universities?

I vote #3, but there will be a big battle over this in coming years. So
one thing I'd like to see is a movement among uni profs to give their
content away for free via mp3 to anyone who wants it; prob with some
varriation of a Creative Commons license. and a movement of students to
help them do it.

Right now they give their content away to scholarly journals, who charge
outrageous subscription fess, and keep content closed off: so no one
gets to read the content. all that -- written & audio-should be
available to me for free, as a canadian who finances universities with
my taxes.

So I throw this idea out, just for some thoughts & comments...

Hugh.


Russell McOrmond wrote:

> Daniel Haran wrote:
>
>>It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
>>idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
>>send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
>>somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't
>>simply download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with
>>free maps :)
>
>
>    This is what is expected, and is one huge leap forward.  It is
> effectively an Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Canada license, which would
> be great for Elections Canada to document formally with a license rather
> than via a "verbal"-like agreement.
>
> http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ca/
>
>    Releasing the information into the public domain, where commercial
> uses can be made of it without interacting with Elections Canada, would
> surprise me.  It is an ideal goal (It is what the US does), but it is a
> big change from the draconian license used for the PCFRF (Postal Code to
> Federal Riding) data file.
>

[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

Hugh McGuire wrote:

>Hi-
>I don't know where this falls into this discussion & if it's relevant.
>but my main interest of late has been audio & what's going to happen on
>the net. one of my big hopes is that uni profs start putting their
>lectures online. there's the question of IP though, who owns those
>lectures: the university? the prof? the tax-payers who finance universities?
>  
>
the student who paid the tuition?

>I vote #3, but there will be a big battle over this in coming years. So
>one thing I'd like to see is a movement among uni profs to give their
>content away for free via mp3 to anyone who wants it; prob with some
>varriation of a Creative Commons license. and a movement of students to
>help them do it.
>  
>
i like it! Did i not see that somewhere? ITV is interesting, profs get a
little grupy though cuz it puts them out of work.  Got the tape, who
needs the prof.  Then again it could free the prof up to do other things
like research! But we ain't there yet!  What of a lecture podcast (i did
a fast dig - http://www.brocku.ca/ctl/podcast/archives/7,
http://www.ubc.ca/podcasts/index.php,
http://www.ottergroup.com/blog/Podcasting/_archives/2005/10/20/1312863.html...sure 
there is more?

>Right now they give their content away to scholarly journals, who charge
>outrageous subscription fess, and keep content closed off: so no one
>gets to read the content. all that -- written & audio-should be
>available to me for free, as a canadian who finances universities with
>my taxes.
>  
>
Yup! the problem for the prof, is the entry ticket, the current currency
for teaching, tenure and research money is the single authored peer
reviewed journal article,  the more you get the better in the current
system, if you speak to a large audience like a conference the less
valued is the knowledge in the system yet the more broadly the ideas are
disseminated!go figure - the more who know the less it is worth? so a
major cultural shift in the academic merit system is required.  Peer
review audio would be fun and it would be great to have the reviewers
send audio of their reviews!

>So I throw this idea out, just for some thoughts & comments...
>
>Hugh.
>  
>
I like it.

>
>Russell McOrmond wrote:
>  
>
>>Daniel Haran wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
>>>idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
>>>send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
>>>somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't
>>>simply download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with
>>>free maps :)
>>>      
>>>
>>   This is what is expected, and is one huge leap forward.  It is
>>effectively an Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Canada license, which would
>>be great for Elections Canada to document formally with a license rather
>>than via a "verbal"-like agreement.
>>
>>http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ca/
>>
>>   Releasing the information into the public domain, where commercial
>>uses can be made of it without interacting with Elections Canada, would
>>surprise me.  It is an ideal goal (It is what the US does), but it is a
>>big change from the draconian license used for the PCFRF (Postal Code to
>>Federal Riding) data file.
>>
>>    
>>
>
>_______________________________________________
>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>[hidden email]
>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
>
>  
>

[Michael Lenczner]

Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should try to stick to civic
information on this list.  I'm concerned that it will be far too easy
to spread into discussing any of the many things we probably share in
common in terms of interest in participatory culture, indymedia,
copyright, digital rights managment, open access education +
publication, gis, open source, collaborative projects, etc.  Not that
we won't discuss those things - but we should restrict ourselves to
talking about them only in their relation to sharing civic information
in Canada.

Feel free to let me know if I'm off-base on this.

The reason I'm concerned is that I know a lot of the people on this
list are *very* busy, and I want them to be able to spend time here
for a very specific reason and not have to discuss or wade through
discussions which they might consider to be offtopic (although
commendable).

Just my 0.02

mike

On 2/5/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Hugh McGuire wrote:
>
> >Hi-
> >I don't know where this falls into this discussion & if it's relevant.
> >but my main interest of late has been audio & what's going to happen on
> >the net. one of my big hopes is that uni profs start putting their
> >lectures online. there's the question of IP though, who owns those
> >lectures: the university? the prof? the tax-payers who finance universities?
> >
> >
> the student who paid the tuition?
>
> >I vote #3, but there will be a big battle over this in coming years. So
> >one thing I'd like to see is a movement among uni profs to give their
> >content away for free via mp3 to anyone who wants it; prob with some
> >varriation of a Creative Commons license. and a movement of students to
> >help them do it.
> >
> >
> i like it! Did i not see that somewhere? ITV is interesting, profs get a
> little grupy though cuz it puts them out of work.  Got the tape, who
> needs the prof.  Then again it could free the prof up to do other things
> like research! But we ain't there yet!  What of a lecture podcast (i did
> a fast dig - http://www.brocku.ca/ctl/podcast/archives/7,
> http://www.ubc.ca/podcasts/index.php,
> http://www.ottergroup.com/blog/Podcasting/_archives/2005/10/20/1312863.html...sure
> there is more?
>
> >Right now they give their content away to scholarly journals, who charge
> >outrageous subscription fess, and keep content closed off: so no one
> >gets to read the content. all that -- written & audio-should be
> >available to me for free, as a canadian who finances universities with
> >my taxes.
> >
> >
> Yup! the problem for the prof, is the entry ticket, the current currency
> for teaching, tenure and research money is the single authored peer
> reviewed journal article,  the more you get the better in the current
> system, if you speak to a large audience like a conference the less
> valued is the knowledge in the system yet the more broadly the ideas are
> disseminated!go figure - the more who know the less it is worth? so a
> major cultural shift in the academic merit system is required.  Peer
> review audio would be fun and it would be great to have the reviewers
> send audio of their reviews!
>
> >So I throw this idea out, just for some thoughts & comments...
> >
> >Hugh.
> >
> >
> I like it.
>
> >
> >Russell McOrmond wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Daniel Haran wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
> >>>idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
> >>>send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
> >>>somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't
> >>>simply download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with
> >>>free maps :)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>   This is what is expected, and is one huge leap forward.  It is
> >>effectively an Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Canada license, which would
> >>be great for Elections Canada to document formally with a license rather
> >>than via a "verbal"-like agreement.
> >>
> >>http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ca/
> >>
> >>   Releasing the information into the public domain, where commercial
> >>uses can be made of it without interacting with Elections Canada, would
> >>surprise me.  It is an ideal goal (It is what the US does), but it is a
> >>big change from the draconian license used for the PCFRF (Postal Code to
> >>Federal Riding) data file.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
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> >http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>

[Hugh McGuire]

mike you are prob right to restrict this project to civic data. with so
much to be done, foucs is important.

hugh.

Michael Lenczner wrote:

> Maybe I'm wrong, but I think we should try to stick to civic
> information on this list.  I'm concerned that it will be far too easy
> to spread into discussing any of the many things we probably share in
> common in terms of interest in participatory culture, indymedia,
> copyright, digital rights managment, open access education +
> publication, gis, open source, collaborative projects, etc.  Not that
> we won't discuss those things - but we should restrict ourselves to
> talking about them only in their relation to sharing civic information
> in Canada.
>
> Feel free to let me know if I'm off-base on this.
>
> The reason I'm concerned is that I know a lot of the people on this
> list are *very* busy, and I want them to be able to spend time here
> for a very specific reason and not have to discuss or wade through
> discussions which they might consider to be offtopic (although
> commendable).
>
> Just my 0.02
>
> mike
>
> On 2/5/06, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
>>Hugh McGuire wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hi-
>>>I don't know where this falls into this discussion & if it's relevant.
>>>but my main interest of late has been audio & what's going to happen on
>>>the net. one of my big hopes is that uni profs start putting their
>>>lectures online. there's the question of IP though, who owns those
>>>lectures: the university? the prof? the tax-payers who finance universities?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>the student who paid the tuition?
>>
>>
>>>I vote #3, but there will be a big battle over this in coming years. So
>>>one thing I'd like to see is a movement among uni profs to give their
>>>content away for free via mp3 to anyone who wants it; prob with some
>>>varriation of a Creative Commons license. and a movement of students to
>>>help them do it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>i like it! Did i not see that somewhere? ITV is interesting, profs get a
>>little grupy though cuz it puts them out of work.  Got the tape, who
>>needs the prof.  Then again it could free the prof up to do other things
>>like research! But we ain't there yet!  What of a lecture podcast (i did
>>a fast dig - http://www.brocku.ca/ctl/podcast/archives/7,
>>http://www.ubc.ca/podcasts/index.php,
>>http://www.ottergroup.com/blog/Podcasting/_archives/2005/10/20/1312863.html...sure
>>there is more?
>>
>>
>>>Right now they give their content away to scholarly journals, who charge
>>>outrageous subscription fess, and keep content closed off: so no one
>>>gets to read the content. all that -- written & audio-should be
>>>available to me for free, as a canadian who finances universities with
>>>my taxes.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Yup! the problem for the prof, is the entry ticket, the current currency
>>for teaching, tenure and research money is the single authored peer
>>reviewed journal article,  the more you get the better in the current
>>system, if you speak to a large audience like a conference the less
>>valued is the knowledge in the system yet the more broadly the ideas are
>>disseminated!go figure - the more who know the less it is worth? so a
>>major cultural shift in the academic merit system is required.  Peer
>>review audio would be fun and it would be great to have the reviewers
>>send audio of their reviews!
>>
>>
>>>So I throw this idea out, just for some thoughts & comments...
>>>
>>>Hugh.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>I like it.
>>
>>
>>>Russell McOrmond wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Daniel Haran wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>It's kind of absurd to me that our electoral data is half-free. The
>>>>>idea that if I put all of this data on my website it's OK, but if I
>>>>>send you an entire copy of the data, and charge you for it, I'm
>>>>>somehow in need of a license. As if a customer of mine coudln't
>>>>>simply download their own data set. Oh well, for now we can play with
>>>>>free maps :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  This is what is expected, and is one huge leap forward.  It is
>>>>effectively an Attribution-NonCommercial 2.0 Canada license, which would
>>>>be great for Elections Canada to document formally with a license rather
>>>>than via a "verbal"-like agreement.
>>>>
>>>>http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/ca/
>>>>
>>>>  Releasing the information into the public domain, where commercial
>>>>uses can be made of it without interacting with Elections Canada, would
>>>>surprise me.  It is an ideal goal (It is what the US does), but it is a
>>>>big change from the draconian license used for the PCFRF (Postal Code to
>>>>Federal Riding) data file.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>>>[hidden email]
>>>http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

I think going public is a great idea,
but I wonder what ya all think of the look and feel of the wiki?

There are some nice ones here!
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinScreenShots

Or can we do some of these?
http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket

Does any one have ideas or skill sets in this area?

Cheers
Tracey

[Stephane Guidoin]

Yes, we could boost the sex appeal of the wiki with a skin. I'll try to
figure out how to install Themes and add one or two and eventually
change the default theme.

In the mean time, you can change the theme for your profile at least.
The Classic Theme, for example, is available in your own preferences ;)

Stef

Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:

> I think going public is a great idea,
> but I wonder what ya all think of the look and feel of the wiki?
>
> There are some nice ones here!
> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/MoinMoinScreenShots
>
> Or can we do some of these?
> http://moinmoin.wikiwikiweb.de/ThemeMarket
>
> Does any one have ideas or skill sets in this area?
>
> Cheers
> Tracey
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
>  

[Russell McOrmond-2]

Michael Lenczner wrote:
> Feel free to let me know if I'm off-base on this.

   I think there should be focus as well, suggesting that people join
other mailing lists that are dealing with other topics if they want to
get into details.

   For DRM, copyright reform, etc issues there are lists on
digital-copyright.ca

   For FLOSS (peer production, peer distribution of software) there is
the new CLUE at http://linux.ca  (New URL soon).

...etc...

   A little off-topic is needed to allow the communities to know about
each other, but no need to duplicate every topic in every list.

   Which reminds me:  I joined this list as I had an invitation.  The
http://www.civicaccess.ca/ doesn't yet do anything but advertise the
name.   Is this list ready to be made more publicly advertised,
including having documentation on what it is and how to join on the website?

--
  Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/>
  2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording,
  Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization.
  http://KillBillC60.ca    Sign--> http://digital-copyright.ca/petition/

[Michael Lenczner]

On 2/8/06, Russell McOrmond <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Michael Lenczner wrote:
> > Feel free to let me know if I'm off-base on this.
>
>    I think there should be focus as well, suggesting that people join
> other mailing lists that are dealing with other topics if they want to
> get into details.
>
>    For DRM, copyright reform, etc issues there are lists on
> digital-copyright.ca
>
>    For FLOSS (peer production, peer distribution of software) there is
> the new CLUE at http://linux.ca  (New URL soon).
>
> ...etc...
>
>    A little off-topic is needed to allow the communities to know about
> each other, but no need to duplicate every topic in every list.
>
>    Which reminds me:  I joined this list as I had an invitation.  The
> http://www.civicaccess.ca/ doesn't yet do anything but advertise the
> name.   Is this list ready to be made more publicly advertised,
> including having documentation on what it is and how to join on the website?
>

ahhh . . . I volunteered to write up a public announcement and an
etiquette guide before we went public. I've been dragging my feet a
bit.

Heres' what I put down tonight.  Let me know what you think:

http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/PublicAnnouncement  (yes, i
mispelled it :-(

http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/Etiquette

todo list till we're ready to open the doors:
http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch

It's rough.  I'll revisit it this weekend.  Feel free to change / add / delete.

Remember - username / password for the wiki is civicaccess / libre

mike

> --
>   Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/>
>   2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording,
>   Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization.
>   http://KillBillC60.ca    Sign--> http://digital-copyright.ca/petition/
>
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> [hidden email]
> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
>

[Michael Lenczner]

http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/PublicAnnoucement is the link

On 2/11/06, Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]> wrote:

> On 2/8/06, Russell McOrmond <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >
> > Michael Lenczner wrote:
> > > Feel free to let me know if I'm off-base on this.
> >
> >    I think there should be focus as well, suggesting that people join
> > other mailing lists that are dealing with other topics if they want to
> > get into details.
> >
> >    For DRM, copyright reform, etc issues there are lists on
> > digital-copyright.ca
> >
> >    For FLOSS (peer production, peer distribution of software) there is
> > the new CLUE at http://linux.ca  (New URL soon).
> >
> > ...etc...
> >
> >    A little off-topic is needed to allow the communities to know about
> > each other, but no need to duplicate every topic in every list.
> >
> >    Which reminds me:  I joined this list as I had an invitation.  The
> > http://www.civicaccess.ca/ doesn't yet do anything but advertise the
> > name.   Is this list ready to be made more publicly advertised,
> > including having documentation on what it is and how to join on the website?
> >
>
> ahhh . . . I volunteered to write up a public announcement and an
> etiquette guide before we went public. I've been dragging my feet a
> bit.
>
> Heres' what I put down tonight.  Let me know what you think:
>
> http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/PublicAnnouncement  (yes, i
> mispelled it :-(
>
> http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch/Etiquette
>
> todo list till we're ready to open the doors:
> http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/Launch
>
> It's rough.  I'll revisit it this weekend.  Feel free to change / add / delete.
>
> Remember - username / password for the wiki is civicaccess / libre
>
> mike
>
> > --
> >   Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/>
> >   2415+ Canadians oppose Bill C-60 which protects antiquated Recording,
> >   Movie and "software manufacturing" industries from modernization.
> >   http://KillBillC60.ca    Sign--> http://digital-copyright.ca/petition/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca
> >
>