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Mike Lenczner suggests that it's not clear whether datalibre.ca is *my* project or a group project. datalibre.ca came about because it seemed that people did not wish to have blog.civicaccess.ca, but rather something parallel, but open to anyone who wishes to participate. the first idea was to just have a place to put discussions/info from this list out in the public, as it seems a shame to have it all stuck behind the walls of this discussion group. anyway, datalibre.ca is meant to be a place to put that info to the public ... and whatever else people wish to do with it. In any case, I do hope others interested in this data will consider posting at datalibre.ca. Let me know if you are interested, and I'll give you a login and add you to the about page etc. And for the record, whatever happens on there is up to those who wish to participate. so please let me know if you do have interest in contributing, however you might want to do so. As mentioned, I wanted to catch and post some info pages with stuff from civicaccess.ca, but most of the good stuff seems to be gone now. cheers, Hugh. |
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For the record, I've transferred all the pages from the civicaccess wiki to a new wiki at civicaccess.pwd.ca... hopefully this will eliminate the spam issue. The full switchover will happen as soon as we can ensure that the mailing list will survive the domain transition safely.
Feel free to begin adding/modifying pages on http://civicaccess.pwd.ca -- these will be preserved when the domain change happens. *Don't* make any changes to the "old" wiki at http://civicaccess.ca for the moment, because any new changes will not be reflected on the new wiki. The new wiki software is DokuWiki -- the formatting is a little different than MoinMoin, and I apologize that there's a bit of a learning curve. DokuWiki is a great, light-weight wiki which I use for several projects, and with which I haven't (yet?) had a problem with spam. If ever anyone does see spam on the new wiki, please let me know so that it can be dealt with before it becomes a problem. Gabe On 6/26/07, Hugh McGuire <[hidden email]> wrote: Hi all, |
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Gabe you are my hero!
I am running away from Ottawa for Canada Day but will gladly play with formatting stuff when i get back unless others get to it first! cheers t Gabe Sawhney wrote: > For the record, I've transferred all the pages from the civicaccess > wiki to a new wiki at civicaccess.pwd.ca... hopefully this will > eliminate the spam issue. The full switchover will happen as soon as > we can ensure that the mailing list will survive the domain transition > safely. > > Feel free to begin adding/modifying pages on http://civicaccess.pwd.ca > -- these will be preserved when the domain change happens. *Don't* > make any changes to the "old" wiki at http://civicaccess.ca for the > moment, because any new changes will not be reflected on the new wiki. > > The new wiki software is DokuWiki -- the formatting is a little > different than MoinMoin, and I apologize that there's a bit of a > learning curve. DokuWiki is a great, light-weight wiki which I use > for several projects, and with which I haven't (yet?) had a problem > with spam. If ever anyone does see spam on the new wiki, please let > me know so that it can be dealt with before it becomes a problem. > > Gabe > > > On 6/26/07, *Hugh McGuire* <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Hi all, > > Mike Lenczner suggests that it's not clear whether datalibre.ca > <http://datalibre.ca> is > *my* project or a group project. > > datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca> came about because it seemed > that people did not wish to > have blog.civicaccess.ca <http://blog.civicaccess.ca>, but rather > something parallel, but open to > anyone who wishes to participate. the first idea was to just have a > place to put discussions/info from this list out in the public, as it > seems a shame to have it all stuck behind the walls of this > discussion group. > > anyway, datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca> is meant to be a place > to put that info to the > public ... and whatever else people wish to do with it. > > In any case, I do hope others interested in this data will consider > posting at datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca>. Let me know if you > are interested, and I'll > give you a login and add you to the about page etc. > > And for the record, whatever happens on there is up to those who wish > to participate. > > so please let me know if you do have interest in contributing, > however you might want to do so. As mentioned, I wanted to catch and > post some info pages with stuff from civicaccess.ca > <http://civicaccess.ca>, but most of the > good stuff seems to be gone now. > > cheers, > > Hugh. > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > <http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > |
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we discussed this previously, and i can't remember where we got ... but here is an idea:
a simple, straight-forward form letter to government agencies, requesting info on: 1. whether their data is available to the public 2. what the costs are 3. what the license is 4. what the format is then a simple statement: "we believe all levels of Canadian governments should make civic information and data accessible at no cost in open formats to their citizens." then send this to all relevant agencies (we would need to make a list), and cc to the relevant minister (also in the list). i have done this in a very ad-hoc manner, by email on various issues, but have not really recorded or processed the responses...and actually there are a number of agencies who DO give data away in nice formats for free - and these are important in our efforts to convince other government groups. thoughts? On Jun 27, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: For the record, I've transferred all the pages from the civicaccess wiki to a new wiki at civicaccess.pwd.ca... hopefully this will eliminate the spam issue. The full switchover will happen as soon as we can ensure that the mailing list will survive the domain transition safely. |
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I like this idea!
However access to data is huge, perhaps we could focus on a few key data sets we would like access to and focus on those? Statistics Canada Data and Electoral boundaries and postal codes come to mind. Any others? With focus we could find others who have worked on those issues and build on what they have done and go from there! Cheers t Hugh McGuire wrote: > we discussed this previously, and i can't remember where we got ... > but here is an idea: > > a simple, straight-forward form letter to government agencies, > requesting info on: > 1. whether their data is available to the public > 2. what the costs are > 3. what the license is > 4. what the format is > > then a simple statement: "we believe all levels of Canadian > governments should make civic information and data accessible at no > cost in open formats to their citizens." > > then send this to all relevant agencies (we would need to make a > list), and cc to the relevant minister (also in the list). > > i have done this in a very ad-hoc manner, by email on various issues, > but have not really recorded or processed the responses...and actually > there are a number of agencies who DO give data away in nice formats > for free - and these are important in our efforts to convince other > government groups. > > thoughts? > > > On Jun 27, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: > >> For the record, I've transferred all the pages from the civicaccess >> wiki to a new wiki at civicaccess.pwd.ca... hopefully this will >> eliminate the spam issue. The full switchover will happen as soon as >> we can ensure that the mailing list will survive the domain >> transition safely. >> >> Feel free to begin adding/modifying pages on >> http://civicaccess.pwd.ca -- these will be preserved when the domain >> change happens. *Don't* make any changes to the "old" wiki at >> http://civicaccess.ca for the moment, because any new changes will >> not be reflected on the new wiki. >> >> The new wiki software is DokuWiki -- the formatting is a little >> different than MoinMoin, and I apologize that there's a bit of a >> learning curve. DokuWiki is a great, light-weight wiki which I use >> for several projects, and with which I haven't (yet?) had a problem >> with spam. If ever anyone does see spam on the new wiki, please let >> me know so that it can be dealt with before it becomes a problem. >> >> Gabe >> >> >> On 6/26/07, *Hugh McGuire* <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> Mike Lenczner suggests that it's not clear whether datalibre.ca >> <http://datalibre.ca> is >> *my* project or a group project. >> >> datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca> came about because it seemed >> that people did not wish to >> have blog.civicaccess.ca <http://blog.civicaccess.ca>, but rather >> something parallel, but open to >> anyone who wishes to participate. the first idea was to just have a >> place to put discussions/info from this list out in the public, >> as it >> seems a shame to have it all stuck behind the walls of this >> discussion group. >> >> anyway, datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca> is meant to be a place >> to put that info to the >> public ... and whatever else people wish to do with it. >> >> In any case, I do hope others interested in this data will consider >> posting at datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca>. Let me know if you >> are interested, and I'll >> give you a login and add you to the about page etc. >> >> And for the record, whatever happens on there is up to those who wish >> to participate. >> >> so please let me know if you do have interest in contributing, >> however you might want to do so. As mentioned, I wanted to catch and >> post some info pages with stuff from civicaccess.ca >> <http://civicaccess.ca>, but most of the >> good stuff seems to be gone now. >> >> cheers, >> >> Hugh. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca >> <http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss_civicaccess.ca > |
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good idea.
part of this comes from my ignorance as a citizen... it seems every agency, ministry etc deals with data differently, and i have no idea what is or is not available, free, good format etc. perhaps we could identify, say, 5 interesting datasets (i have no idea what they might be, but perhaps we could spread across some areas: health, environment, natural resources, etc)... and then send letters to the responsible agencies, and publish the responses. this seems to be what http://freeourdata.org.uk is doing. a long-term goal might be a database of canadian govt datasets, and their availability to citizens. hugh. On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > I like this idea! > > However access to data is huge, perhaps we could focus on a few key > data > sets we would like access to and focus on those? Statistics Canada > Data > and Electoral boundaries and postal codes come to mind. Any others? > > With focus we could find others who have worked on those issues and > build on what they have done and go from there! > > Cheers > t > > Hugh McGuire wrote: >> we discussed this previously, and i can't remember where we got ... >> but here is an idea: >> >> a simple, straight-forward form letter to government agencies, >> requesting info on: >> 1. whether their data is available to the public >> 2. what the costs are >> 3. what the license is >> 4. what the format is >> >> then a simple statement: "we believe all levels of Canadian >> governments should make civic information and data accessible at no >> cost in open formats to their citizens." >> >> then send this to all relevant agencies (we would need to make a >> list), and cc to the relevant minister (also in the list). >> >> i have done this in a very ad-hoc manner, by email on various issues, >> but have not really recorded or processed the responses...and >> actually >> there are a number of agencies who DO give data away in nice formats >> for free - and these are important in our efforts to convince other >> government groups. >> >> thoughts? >> >> >> On Jun 27, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Gabe Sawhney wrote: >> >>> For the record, I've transferred all the pages from the civicaccess >>> wiki to a new wiki at civicaccess.pwd.ca... hopefully this will >>> eliminate the spam issue. The full switchover will happen as >>> soon as >>> we can ensure that the mailing list will survive the domain >>> transition safely. >>> >>> Feel free to begin adding/modifying pages on >>> http://civicaccess.pwd.ca -- these will be preserved when the domain >>> change happens. *Don't* make any changes to the "old" wiki at >>> http://civicaccess.ca for the moment, because any new changes will >>> not be reflected on the new wiki. >>> >>> The new wiki software is DokuWiki -- the formatting is a little >>> different than MoinMoin, and I apologize that there's a bit of a >>> learning curve. DokuWiki is a great, light-weight wiki which I use >>> for several projects, and with which I haven't (yet?) had a problem >>> with spam. If ever anyone does see spam on the new wiki, please let >>> me know so that it can be dealt with before it becomes a problem. >>> >>> Gabe >>> >>> >>> On 6/26/07, *Hugh McGuire* <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Mike Lenczner suggests that it's not clear whether datalibre.ca >>> <http://datalibre.ca> is >>> *my* project or a group project. >>> >>> datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca> came about because it seemed >>> that people did not wish to >>> have blog.civicaccess.ca <http://blog.civicaccess.ca>, but >>> rather >>> something parallel, but open to >>> anyone who wishes to participate. the first idea was to just >>> have a >>> place to put discussions/info from this list out in the public, >>> as it >>> seems a shame to have it all stuck behind the walls of this >>> discussion group. >>> >>> anyway, datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca> is meant to be a >>> place >>> to put that info to the >>> public ... and whatever else people wish to do with it. >>> >>> In any case, I do hope others interested in this data will >>> consider >>> posting at datalibre.ca <http://datalibre.ca>. Let me know if >>> you >>> are interested, and I'll >>> give you a login and add you to the about page etc. >>> >>> And for the record, whatever happens on there is up to those >>> who wish >>> to participate. >>> >>> so please let me know if you do have interest in contributing, >>> however you might want to do so. As mentioned, I wanted to >>> catch and >>> post some info pages with stuff from civicaccess.ca >>> <http://civicaccess.ca>, but most of the >>> good stuff seems to be gone now. >>> >>> cheers, >>> >>> Hugh. >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess- >>> discuss_civicaccess.ca >>> <http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess- >>> discuss_civicaccess.ca> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess- >>> discuss_civicaccess.ca >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> --- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess- >> discuss_civicaccess.ca >> > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://civicaccess.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess- > discuss_civicaccess.ca |
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This could be a great section on the wiki, Hugh. What departments have
been contacted, responses, etc.
Cheers, ....G Hugh McGuire wrote: good idea. part of this comes from my ignorance as a citizen... it seems every agency, ministry etc deals with data differently, and i have no idea what is or is not available, free, good format etc. perhaps we could identify, say, 5 interesting datasets (i have no idea what they might be, but perhaps we could spread across some areas: health, environment, natural resources, etc)... and then send letters to the responsible agencies, and publish the responses. this seems to be what http://freeourdata.org.uk is doing. a long-term goal might be a database of canadian govt datasets, and their availability to citizens. hugh. On Jun 28, 2007, at 1:36 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: -- ***************************************************** ** Gordon Campbell ** ** Geek at Large and General Pain in the Butt ** ** ** ** http://blog.cruachan.ca ** ***************************************************** |
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