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Hi James, Thanks for all of that. Wow. I have broken your notes down into bullets as best I can and have added them to the survey choices. I don't think I am understanding your recommendation of "the datasets should be categorized" while also saying financials should be broken out. I don't see how one can do both other than maybe having one survey question for each category. The problem with doing that though is that then the categories are determining the outcome. There may be entire categories that don't make it into the top 10. I guess the other option would be to attempt to break all of these choices into categories and just vote on the categories but that would be an entirely different list.
Right now I am thinking of putting in all of the choices and seeing what people vote on. Somehow I think just providing the entire list will be more productive. I'm open to more input on this. Want to keep it as simple as possible. Making this list is tricky but I think it's worth doing as a first attempt. We can evolve it over time if think of ways to improve it.
Your comment about standards is well taken. I too hope that if we can get some idea of what we think is most important it will help us focus our efforts a bit on evolving some standards around some of the most popular and common datasets for municipalities.
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Hi Herb,
In terms of categorization, I simply meant grouping datasets that fall within the same category/theme together - not eliminating any items from the list, just placing similar items near each other. If it's possible to put a heading for those groups/collections/categories of datasets, then that would also make browsing a long list of datasets easier. On the other hand, maybe presenting a totally random list of datasets each time would be better survey methodology. James On 2013-12-18, at 1:00 PM, Herb Lainchbury wrote:
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Okay, I see. Well, yes, I was thinking I would use the randomizer feature of SurveyMonkey to eliminate the bias of things being in a certain order. As it stands, the financial information is represented both as a general line item and there are also some specific financial items listed. Hopefully that will work. I'll post the entire list somewhere before I send it out in the survey so we can all have a look at it and make any final changes. H On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 10:45 AM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi Herb ...
Just to put in my 5 cents. I would suggest putting everything out and not doing any pre-grouping/categorizing. A more bottom up approach to begin with. And I have had some success using allourideas.org (it incorporates analytical hierarchical technique) for this kind of thing. But, it may not be what your looking for right now. ... gerry On 18/12/2013 11:00 AM, Herb Lainchbury
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Thanks Gerry. Agreed. I prefer a randomized bottom-up approach (as also suggested at the end of James' note). I had forgotten about allourideas.org ! I will have another look at it. Thanks!
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Just in case people are wondering what ever happened to this idea... I haven't forgotten. The Summit was more of a priority for a while there. I have compiled a list and plan to send out the survey in the near future. Cheers, Herb On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi Folks, Here is the entire list of datasets that I plan to send out. I think I have captured everyone's suggestions so far. Correct me if I am missing any.
I am thinking I will send the survey as one multiple choice question and allow respondents to select as many choices as they like. The question will also allow for someone to add a choice that is not listed.
The 10 datasets with the most votes become the top 10. I don't see any way to randomize the sequence of choices so they will go out as is in this order. The system does check for ballot stuffing (as best it can).
I suggest we share this far and wide and allow two weeks or so for completion. I'll send it to this group, to OpenDataBC and to the vancouver-data group as well as twitter, etc.. We will have no way of knowing who the respondents are. I plan to send this in the next day or two so if anyone would like to provide any last minute feedback or suggestions please do so by responding on this list.
Thanks, Herb ------------- The choices are:
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Hi Herb; I think much more work needs to be done with these before you can do a survey is released and I think there is merit in grouping them. Can you remind me how this list was made? Looks like no social planners, community developers, health, environmentalists, or urban planners, housing experts, disability folks, were involved in the making of this list. What would they want?Some of the data types are indicators and would require a number of datasets and research projects to get to these. As I was sorting through them it reminded me of the Quality of life reporting systems of the federation of canadian municipalities, who collect these data from about 30 different institutions at all levels of jurisdiction (Grid of data - http://www.municipaldata-donneesmunicipales.ca/Site/Monitoring/grid.php?lang=en). These data were decided upon as they told a story, overtime, and served a purpose to understand things in the city. Main headings of the report:
The issue of scale is also important here, is this for cities? if so do we want these data aggregated into neighbourhoods? Wards? electoral districts? dissemination areas? Postal Code areas? GVRD/Metro van, or Van city? just to exemplify the difference. I think we are maturing as a community, and maybe we can move beyond lists of datasets and start thinking about the best way for us to understand our cities/towns/etc.and think of the datasets that help us understand those things and then find the ways to communicate/discuss etc. these things. Also, some of the data on the list are already available. Anyway, I have sorted the ones in your list. I am super swamped for the next week, but I would be really happy to work with you and a few others (james?) to go through previous lists, and I would love to consult with some civil society groups and ask them what they want, environment? Community Health? Social Housing? Disability? I don't know about you, but I find myself often circulating in the same circles and thus perpetuating ideals from a particular lens, this list I think reflects open data people but not necessarily, data users in the sense of actually using data to inform public policy in a real way, or a campaign, etc. Open data folks like ourselves, got us here, and that is good, but now, I think we can do more, and communicate to people outside our 'open data circles', to those engaged in the day to day as non open data civil society groups and find out what their needs are. Below is my first pass at classifying the list you shared, it is imperfect and not mutually exclusive, there are comments in brackets beside them. Public Expenditures · financial data (revenue, expenses, liabilities, equity, etc..) · Salaries of public officials · consultant fees (Maybe a better statement are gov subcontracting by type) · contracts · budget management (Not sure what is meant here? Which datasets?) · financial - planned expenditures (a.k.a. estimates, appropriations, supply) · financial - actual expenditures · financial - grant and contribution awards · financial - travel and hospitality expenses Economic Development · business license · development applications (had twice) · approval results of development applications · DCC (development cost charges) rates · property assessments · tax rates (Do they mean property assessments?) · annual return data (not just pdf reports) is this taxfiler returns, is so then available at a fee? Which returns? · building citations (problems with structures etc...) Business · tender opportunities Land Use · park boundaries (which ones? National park data are available) · land use changes (this too is an indicator, which datasets would be required, for instance parks, building footprints and year of construction, air photos, forests, farm land, etc. With those layers and others over time then land use change analysis is possible, but this is a research project or a geomatics project, not just one dataset) Infrastructure · locations of things (fire hydrants, bike parking, ...) · transit data · infrastructure deficits (which one? Roads? Power? Broadband?) also this is a measure, or an indicator, so there would need to be specificity in terms of a theme and then a way to measure that · road construction (511 data) · road maintenance and emergency work (I am guessing not ambulance emergencies but disruptions due to emergencies) Demographics · vital stats · demographic data (these are available) Framework Data · electoral districts (these are available) · transit data (Feeds? Routes? Schedules?) Remote Sensing · orthophotos · lidar User Fees · service fees (For what? Swimming pools? Rec Programs? School fees) Democratic engagemet · hansards – Fed? Prov/ter? I think some are available, but not necessarily in a useful format. Is the fed hansard now on open data licence? · council · petitions · elected officials contact information (is available at fed and provincial and I think all cities offer this too, was there something specific?) · satisfaction survey results (e.g. http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/dataset/sondage-satisfaction-citoyens) Planning · traffic study data · rezoning permit applications · service requests (e.g. http://open311.org/) Health · stream health assessments (i do not know what these are? Wait times? These data are available from CIHI but for a fee) · health inspections (e.g. Yelp's LIVES specification http://www.yelp.ca/healthscores) Well Being · food bank usage stats · homelessness stats Citizen Engagement · public consultations Freedom of Information · completed access to information requests (as is done at the federal level) · public documents released under access to information laws (as BC does, for most part) · transparency and access to information Political Accountability · lobbying disclosures (see http://sunlightfoundation.com/policy/lobbying/guidelines/) · political financing (contribution and expenses e.g. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=fin&lang=e) · calendar of meetings · agendas of meetings · minutes of meetings · video of meetings · audio of meetings · transcripts of meetings · role call votes · attendance records Safety · crime information Herb, you are super great at persistently keeping us going! Cheers Tracey On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Hi Tracey This is a significant exercise and if I recall Herb’s initial idea – it was to get the “process” starting understanding that it wouldn’t be perfect and the community could build on it. There is also a CODI project (described here http://opendatainstitute.ca/projects/open-data-reference-model/ ) with an editable Google doc https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkWBuXccNc3CdGZHVzVtcThoaHZiSzdpbHlTVXJLTFE&usp=sharing#gid=0 This is a long road with many local to global data standards related initiatives underway. So as long as there’s value from an initial survey, suggest Herb simply go ahead with it and maybe rather than trying to capture all the data sets – maybe focus on ensuring we capture all the relevant data themes/categories. Just a thought … Cheers Jury From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tracey P. Lauriault Hi Herb; I think much more work needs to be done with these before you can do a survey is released and I think there is merit in grouping them. Can you remind me how this list was made? Looks like no social planners, community developers, health, environmentalists, or urban planners, housing experts, disability folks, were involved in the making of this list. What would they want?
The issue of scale is also important here, is this for cities? if so do we want these data aggregated into neighbourhoods? Wards? electoral districts? dissemination areas? Postal Code areas? GVRD/Metro van, or Van city? just to exemplify the difference.
Below is my first pass at classifying the list you shared, it is imperfect and not mutually exclusive, there are comments in brackets beside them. Public Expenditures · financial data (revenue, expenses, liabilities, equity, etc..) · Salaries of public officials · consultant fees (Maybe a better statement are gov subcontracting by type) · contracts · budget management (Not sure what is meant here? Which datasets?) · financial - planned expenditures (a.k.a. estimates, appropriations, supply) · financial - actual expenditures · financial - grant and contribution awards · financial - travel and hospitality expenses Economic Development · business license · development applications (had twice) · approval results of development applications · DCC (development cost charges) rates · property assessments · tax rates (Do they mean property assessments?) · annual return data (not just pdf reports) is this taxfiler returns, is so then available at a fee? Which returns? · building citations (problems with structures etc...) Business · tender opportunities Land Use · park boundaries (which ones? National park data are available) · land use changes (this too is an indicator, which datasets would be required, for instance parks, building footprints and year of construction, air photos, forests, farm land, etc. With those layers and others over time then land use change analysis is possible, but this is a research project or a geomatics project, not just one dataset) Infrastructure · locations of things (fire hydrants, bike parking, ...) · transit data · infrastructure deficits (which one? Roads? Power? Broadband?) also this is a measure, or an indicator, so there would need to be specificity in terms of a theme and then a way to measure that · road construction (511 data) · road maintenance and emergency work (I am guessing not ambulance emergencies but disruptions due to emergencies) Demographics · vital stats · demographic data (these are available) Framework Data · electoral districts (these are available) · transit data (Feeds? Routes? Schedules?) Remote Sensing · orthophotos · lidar User Fees · service fees (For what? Swimming pools? Rec Programs? School fees) Democratic engagemet · hansards – Fed? Prov/ter? I think some are available, but not necessarily in a useful format. Is the fed hansard now on open data licence? · council · petitions · elected officials contact information (is available at fed and provincial and I think all cities offer this too, was there something specific?) · satisfaction survey results (e.g. http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/dataset/sondage-satisfaction-citoyens) Planning · traffic study data · rezoning permit applications · service requests (e.g. http://open311.org/) Health · stream health assessments (i do not know what these are? Wait times? These data are available from CIHI but for a fee) · health inspections (e.g. Yelp's LIVES specification http://www.yelp.ca/healthscores) Well Being · food bank usage stats · homelessness stats Citizen Engagement · public consultations Freedom of Information · completed access to information requests (as is done at the federal level) · public documents released under access to information laws (as BC does, for most part) · transparency and access to information Political Accountability · lobbying disclosures (see http://sunlightfoundation.com/policy/lobbying/guidelines/) · political financing (contribution and expenses e.g. http://www.elections.ca/content.aspx?section=fin&lang=e) · calendar of meetings · agendas of meetings · minutes of meetings · video of meetings · audio of meetings · transcripts of meetings · role call votes · attendance records Safety · crime information Herb, you are super great at persistently keeping us going! Tracey On Fri, Mar 14, 2014 at 11:03 PM, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote: Just in case people are wondering what ever happened to this idea... I haven't forgotten. The Summit was more of a priority for a while there. I have compiled a list and plan to send out the survey in the near future. Cheers, Herb On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 4:15 PM, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote: Over on the OpenDataBC google group we're developing a list of top 10 wanted datasets for municipal governments in Canada. The intention is to simply create a "first cut" at this to use as a starting point and I'm guessing it will evolve over time. It won't be perfect, but it'll be a place to start. We would like input from this group. Please have a look at this list and let me know what, if anything is missing, or if any of these could use some fine tuning. Once we have a list my intention is to compile this into a SurveyMonkey survey and send it back out to OpenDataBC and this group for voting and we'll see what people think are the top 10. Here is the current list in no particular order:
The question I am thinking of sending is something like: "Which of the following datasets should municipalities make a priority and release them as open data?" If there are any survey geeks out there that see a bias in this question and can suggest better wording please do so. Also, if any of the bullets seems too ambiguous or vague to be a valid selection alternate suggestions for those would be appreciated. Thanks, H -- Herb Lainchbury, Dynamic Solutions <a href="tel:250.704.6154" target="_blank">250.704.6154
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I am not sure where to toss this in but I would also like to see various infraction data. E.g., parking tickets. I suspect that organizations start to factor this into their budgets and rather than enforcement for public good, the goad becomes revenue generation. ... ggtOn Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 3:36 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
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I'll add that Gerry. Thanks. H On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Gerry Tychon <[hidden email]> wrote:
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HI Tracey, The list was started on OpenDataBC and then moved here to get more input. I have not taken it outside to other groups. The idea is to generate a starting list of top 10 datasets. Some of the datasets will already have been released by some municipalities. Others may not have been made available by any municipalities. The point is for publishers to be able to look at the list and see that people are interested. I get asked over and over again "what do people want?" so I would like to be able to refer to a top ten list to give publishers and idea of what people are interested in.
For example, if it went out now I might choose:
I fully expect that the initial list will not be perfect but I think the people on the list have enough knowledge either on their own or with their networks to have a crack at it. Also, I don't know of any group better than this one for getting things done so that's why I brought it here. :) I am happy to help get this done however people think it should happen. I like your categories suggestion - so maybe we should work that in somehow - but I was thinking more at the dataset level.
"Herb, you are super great at persistently keeping us going!" Thank you! :) Given this discussion I won't send anything out now so we can hear from a few more voices.
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Cheers! On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 11:18 PM, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Just recalled something! I do not think the folks that submitted this list are not capable, but I do know that it is a group that reflects a world view that is not necessarily the same the civil society groups doing social and environmental justice work, or work on accessibility, or health. And I worry that if we continuously only have us as open data folks involved in making lists and setting trajectories, then we are missing out on telling really important public policy issues, as they are just not on our horizon.Action 2: Release of high value data,That list is pretty good.
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I agree with the "world view" and "comfort zone" assertions and I would guess that each of these groups would come up with a different list. Maybe we need to encourage these groups to create a list for their purposes? Ultimately I suppose we need to look at the value of creating a list in the first place. For me, I just want to give muni's an idea of what at least SOME people are interested in. It's true we can't speak for everyone. The G8 list is great but my intention was to construct a list specifically for Canadian municipalities. This list is specific to nations, though some of them could be addressed at the municipal level (crime for example).
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Hey Herb; This report (http://www.opengovpartnership.org/country/canada/progress-report/report) includes references to many of the datasets I was pointing out, it is the OGP independent report and some of the complaints are the fact that most portals do not have the data I was refering to in them. Again, I think reflective of who we are and what our interstest are. Perhaps let muni gov know that this list is a developers/open data enthusiast list and not a list from civil society at large and more outreach would be required to include them. They will not make a list unless they are asked Herb as open data is not something they are necessarily engaged in. The FCM report I pointed to is all about cities, and that list of indicators was created by community grouns and city officials in canada's top 24 cities in terms of population. If you go throught that list, you will quickly see that most open data portals do not contain these data, and this is also why many civil society folks don't care about portals. They do not contain the data they need and use. These are not tek specialist in any way, but they are big data users, so you will most likely not come accross them at open data events as that is not a space they would gravitate to. You are discussing wards and so on, so a different scale than federal electoral districts which to my understanding are contiguous with provincial and territorial electoral districts. At lower tiers I did not think they were electoral districts files, but are wards and so on. So on that one I agree. When you say 84, you mean 84 what? Cheers t On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 1:53 AM, Herb Lainchbury <[hidden email]> wrote:
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