This is addictive! + invitation list

[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

Ok! I have to stop this! I am getting data and information sharing
addicted!  Also, too listy i think, you decide!

I put some stuff up and would like - if y'all willin' - to invite the
following folks as part of the early builders -

Nathalie Leclerc, social researcher Social Planning Council of Ottawa,
she is a social researchin' geek, ruthless info digger and proponent of
these ideas.

Ted Hildebrandt, Director of Social Planning and Community Development
in Halton, he & I founded the GANIS group (see wiki), and recently he
spoke at a PPGIS  conference in the US and the US participants were
stunned and said "you get free healthcare but have to pay for data
upthere - crazy!".  Ted also bridges the world of geekdom and social policy.

Joel Rivard, Data Technician at Carleton University Library, he is a
recent gis student who got this job after graduation, he is very
knowledgeable about national issues.

After these folks join and we all get used to working together, I would
like to invite still internal -

Doug May and Alton Hollet from Gov. of Newfoundland who are doing some
great civic indicator work and who could connect us to the scene on the
rock.

Ernie Boyko, a retired statcan director, and Wendy Watkins MADGIC (see
wiki) who are members of a bunch of data and info associations and are
founding members of the Data Liberation Initiative

and after y'all get your respective folks doing their thing, I would
love to post on a bunch of other specialized listserves.

ciao
tracey

[Stephane Guidoin]

hhhmmm, addiction :)

Sorry if I wasn't very present recently but I have a huge amound of work to be
done for... yesterday... every day ! But this should hopefully ends in
mid-december.

Concerning the wiki, I wonder if we shouldn't set one language by page (except
the FrontPage). We set 2 columns on the FrontPage, english and french ; then we
link some specific pages for each language, for example "About" and "APropos".
What do you think about that ?

For the list of people to invite, I think we get close to something interesting.
I'm really impressed by all the people found by Tracey ! :p

There's still a little configuration problem with the wiki for people that have
a french-configured browser. I'll try to correct this before the end of the WE.

Stéphane


Selon "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]>:

> Ok! I have to stop this! I am getting data and information sharing
> addicted!  Also, too listy i think, you decide!
>
> I put some stuff up and would like - if y'all willin' - to invite the
> following folks as part of the early builders -
>
> Nathalie Leclerc, social researcher Social Planning Council of Ottawa,
> she is a social researchin' geek, ruthless info digger and proponent of
> these ideas.
>
> Ted Hildebrandt, Director of Social Planning and Community Development
> in Halton, he & I founded the GANIS group (see wiki), and recently he
> spoke at a PPGIS  conference in the US and the US participants were
> stunned and said "you get free healthcare but have to pay for data
> upthere - crazy!".  Ted also bridges the world of geekdom and social policy.
>
> Joel Rivard, Data Technician at Carleton University Library, he is a
> recent gis student who got this job after graduation, he is very
> knowledgeable about national issues.
>
> After these folks join and we all get used to working together, I would
> like to invite still internal -
>
> Doug May and Alton Hollet from Gov. of Newfoundland who are doing some
> great civic indicator work and who could connect us to the scene on the
> rock.
>
> Ernie Boyko, a retired statcan director, and Wendy Watkins MADGIC (see
> wiki) who are members of a bunch of data and info associations and are
> founding members of the Data Liberation Initiative
>
> and after y'all get your respective folks doing their thing, I would
> love to post on a bunch of other specialized listserves.
>
> ciao
> tracey
>
>
>
>
>
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[Michael Lenczner]

On 11/29/05, Stephane Guidoin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> hhhmmm, addiction :)
>
> Sorry if I wasn't very present recently but I have a huge amound of work to be
> done for... yesterday... every day ! But this should hopefully ends in
> mid-december.
>
> Concerning the wiki, I wonder if we shouldn't set one language by page (except
> the FrontPage). We set 2 columns on the FrontPage, english and french ; then we
> link some specific pages for each language, for example "About" and "APropos".
> What do you think about that ?

i don't understand.  as in - one page in english - and one in french?
without translations?

unfortunately - the rest of canada (outside montreal) isn't as
bilingual as that.

but I do think we need to do more to make french not just the second
language.  that means at least some french names of pages, french
versions going first above english versions, etc.

>
> For the list of people to invite, I think we get close to something interesting.
> I'm really impressed by all the people found by Tracey ! :p
>
> There's still a little configuration problem with the wiki for people that have
> a french-configured browser. I'll try to correct this before the end of the WE.
>
> Stéphane
>
>
> Selon "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]>:
>
> > Ok! I have to stop this! I am getting data and information sharing
> > addicted!  Also, too listy i think, you decide!
> >
> > I put some stuff up and would like - if y'all willin' - to invite the
> > following folks as part of the early builders -
> >
> > Nathalie Leclerc, social researcher Social Planning Council of Ottawa,
> > she is a social researchin' geek, ruthless info digger and proponent of
> > these ideas.
> >
> > Ted Hildebrandt, Director of Social Planning and Community Development
> > in Halton, he & I founded the GANIS group (see wiki), and recently he
> > spoke at a PPGIS  conference in the US and the US participants were
> > stunned and said "you get free healthcare but have to pay for data
> > upthere - crazy!".  Ted also bridges the world of geekdom and social policy.
> >
> > Joel Rivard, Data Technician at Carleton University Library, he is a
> > recent gis student who got this job after graduation, he is very
> > knowledgeable about national issues.
> >
> > After these folks join and we all get used to working together, I would
> > like to invite still internal -
> >
> > Doug May and Alton Hollet from Gov. of Newfoundland who are doing some
> > great civic indicator work and who could connect us to the scene on the
> > rock.
> >
> > Ernie Boyko, a retired statcan director, and Wendy Watkins MADGIC (see
> > wiki) who are members of a bunch of data and info associations and are
> > founding members of the Data Liberation Initiative
> >
> > and after y'all get your respective folks doing their thing, I would
> > love to post on a bunch of other specialized listserves.
> >
> > ciao
> > tracey
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
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[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

Stephane Guidoin wrote:

>hhhmmm, addiction :)
>  
>
related to coffee consumption and procrastination i think!

>Sorry if I wasn't very present recently but I have a huge amound of work to be
>done for... yesterday... every day ! But this should hopefully ends in
>mid-december.
>
>Concerning the wiki, I wonder if we shouldn't set one language by page (except
>the FrontPage). We set 2 columns on the FrontPage, english and french ; then we
>link some specific pages for each language, for example "About" and "APropos".
>What do you think about that ?
>  
>

j'aime les deux language sur une page!  Mais comment faire! maybe
internal page links to french / english content? I think we will need
this for headings anyway, just did  not figure out how yet ;) But maybe
better to have a table for some regions, with bilingual cells where
possible, and it does get pretty unilingual outside some cities as
michael indicated.  Also, we may get into a fun situation and have cree
on the site!  My French is rough please help!

>For the list of people to invite, I think we get close to something interesting.
>I'm really impressed by all the people found by Tracey ! :p
>  
>
I called natalie, and ted who are keen, and i mentioned the idea to Joel
some weeks ago to talk the idea up, but have not yet asked if he would
like to participate.

>There's still a little configuration problem with the wiki for people that have
>a french-configured browser. I'll try to correct this before the end of the WE.
>
>Stéphane
>
>
>Selon "Tracey P. Lauriault" <[hidden email]>:
>
>  
>
>>Ok! I have to stop this! I am getting data and information sharing
>>addicted!  Also, too listy i think, you decide!
>>
>>I put some stuff up and would like - if y'all willin' - to invite the
>>following folks as part of the early builders -
>>
>>Nathalie Leclerc, social researcher Social Planning Council of Ottawa,
>>she is a social researchin' geek, ruthless info digger and proponent of
>>these ideas.
>>
>>Ted Hildebrandt, Director of Social Planning and Community Development
>>in Halton, he & I founded the GANIS group (see wiki), and recently he
>>spoke at a PPGIS  conference in the US and the US participants were
>>stunned and said "you get free healthcare but have to pay for data
>>upthere - crazy!".  Ted also bridges the world of geekdom and social policy.
>>
>>Joel Rivard, Data Technician at Carleton University Library, he is a
>>recent gis student who got this job after graduation, he is very
>>knowledgeable about national issues.
>>
>>After these folks join and we all get used to working together, I would
>>like to invite still internal -
>>
>>Doug May and Alton Hollet from Gov. of Newfoundland who are doing some
>>great civic indicator work and who could connect us to the scene on the
>>rock.
>>
>>Ernie Boyko, a retired statcan director, and Wendy Watkins MADGIC (see
>>wiki) who are members of a bunch of data and info associations and are
>>founding members of the Data Liberation Initiative
>>
>>and after y'all get your respective folks doing their thing, I would
>>love to post on a bunch of other specialized listserves.
>>
>>ciao
>>tracey
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[Stephane Guidoin]

First of all : can you access the wiki throught this link :
http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/

Did it ever worked before if you used this address ?

If not, which link do you use to access it ?

Concerning the language question :

> i don't understand.  as in - one page in english - and one in french?
> without translations?


My view : FrontPage is bilingual.

Then on the front page we could change the existing line
"*About* - About this site / Au sujet de ce site"

to

"*About* - About this site / *APropos* Au sujet de ce site

Then the *About* page is in english and the *APropos*, in french. We have the
same content than what we have now, but instead of having the french version
above, it's on a separate page.

Then, we could have almost 2 different sites, sort of mirrors...

I think it would be easier to read (and if french is not fully translated,
people won't notice it because they won't have the english version just there.

[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

Stephane Guidoin wrote:

>First of all : can you access the wiki throught this link :
>http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/
>
>Did it ever worked before if you used this address ?
>
>If not, which link do you use to access it ?
>
>Concerning the language question :
>
>  
>
>>i don't understand.  as in - one page in english - and one in french?
>>without translations?
>>    
>>
>
>
>My view : FrontPage is bilingual.
>
>Then on the front page we could change the existing line
>"*About* - About this site / Au sujet de ce site"
>
>to
>
>"*About* - About this site / *APropos* Au sujet de ce site
>
>Then the *About* page is in english and the *APropos*, in french. We have the
>same content than what we have now, but instead of having the french version
>above, it's on a separate page.
>  
>

I like it!

>Then, we could have almost 2 different sites, sort of mirrors...
>
>I think it would be easier to read (and if french is not fully translated,
>people won't notice it because they won't have the english version just there.
>  
>
hmm! what happens in a situation where there are few french bits and
lots in english, would those who follow the french stream get
shortchanged on info cuz the english it is not translated and vice versa?

aussi, stephane, me recommenderais-tu un bon outil/site de traduction?

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[Michael Lenczner]

On 11/29/05, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Stephane Guidoin wrote:
>
> >First of all : can you access the wiki throught this link :
> >http://www.civicaccess.ca/wiki/
> >
> >Did it ever worked before if you used this address ?
> >
> >If not, which link do you use to access it ?
> >
> >Concerning the language question :
> >
> >
> >
> >>i don't understand.  as in - one page in english - and one in french?
> >>without translations?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >My view : FrontPage is bilingual.
> >
> >Then on the front page we could change the existing line
> >"*About* - About this site / Au sujet de ce site"
> >
> >to
> >
> >"*About* - About this site / *APropos* Au sujet de ce site
> >
> >Then the *About* page is in english and the *APropos*, in french. We have the
> >same content than what we have now, but instead of having the french version
> >above, it's on a separate page.
> >
> >
> I like it!

I did it!  (10 min ago)

;-)

>
> >Then, we could have almost 2 different sites, sort of mirrors...
> >
> >I think it would be easier to read (and if french is not fully translated,
> >people won't notice it because they won't have the english version just there.
> >
that's a bug.  not a feature.   :-)

> >
> hmm! what happens in a situation where there are few french bits and
> lots in english, would those who follow the french stream get
> shortchanged on info cuz the english it is not translated and vice versa?
>
we should definitely not do that for most of our pages.  i don't
think.  it's too good a way of losing track of stuff and having out of
date / neglected pages.

> aussi, stephane, me recommenderais-tu un bon outil/site de traduction?
>
> >
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[Stephane Guidoin]

Okay, I've corrected 2 little bugs on the wiki. Now everything should work, even
french-configured browser, else, let me know !

For the language question, Mike may be right about the fact that it might be
hard to manage almost 2 different sites. Plus, sometimes we'll have the same
word in english and french (for example the resources pages with "Quebec",
"Ontario", etc.). It makes that we'll have too many exceptions to think about.

We can do it for some specific pages (like "about") which are long and deserve
to be separed but not more.

Now... what's next ? We should put more emphasis on the invitation text and
then... send it :)

Stef

[Tracey P. Lauriault-2]

Sounds good!

Stephane Guidoin wrote:

>Okay, I've corrected 2 little bugs on the wiki. Now everything should work, even
>french-configured browser, else, let me know !
>
>For the language question, Mike may be right about the fact that it might be
>hard to manage almost 2 different sites. Plus, sometimes we'll have the same
>word in english and french (for example the resources pages with "Quebec",
>"Ontario", etc.). It makes that we'll have too many exceptions to think about.
>
>We can do it for some specific pages (like "about") which are long and deserve
>to be separed but not more.
>
>Now... what's next ? We should put more emphasis on the invitation text and
>then... send it :)
>
>Stef
>
>
>
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