Re: geocoder.ca sued for open-data crowdsourced postal code

[Richard Pietro]

Hello everyone!

I'd like to share my thoughts on this development...I recently wrote an
article on my Blog entitled "If you can't beat them, beat them" that is a
brief case study between Kodak & Canada Post.

Thought you might all appreciate it :-)

http://richardpietro.blogspot.ca/2012/04/if-you-cant-beat-them-then-beat-the
m.html


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This is an excellent reference for this sort of attack and I think we should
communicate this legal response, as a useful resource in itself for others,
both in the Canadian legal space and beyond.

-Glen

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Cory Horner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Agreed -- that was an enjoyable read, and it completely explained the
"crowdsourcing" claim. ?I quite liked this:
>
> "25. ? ?If a postal code were not a fact, but were rather a copyrighted
work, Canadians would regularly infringe Canada Post's alleged sole right to
produce and reproduce ?any part? of the CPC Database, as such right is
alleged at paragraph 5 of the Plaintiff's Statement of Claim. Such a result
is absurd..."
>
> ...which implies writing an address on an envelope would constitute
infringement.

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> On 2012-04-12, at 5:00 PM, James McKinney wrote:
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>> I really like paragraphs 23 onwards. Choice quotes:
>>
>> "Contrary to the Plaintiff's assertion at paragraph 11 of the
>> Statement of Claim that 'Her Majesty's copyright to the CPC Database
>> was transferred to Canada Post' under section 63 of the Canada Post
>> Corporation, no section 63 of the current Canada Post Corporation Act
>> ?even exists. Neither does the Act that came into force in 1981
>> transfer such title." (emphasis mine)
>>
>> And: "Geolytica pleads that the CPC Database is itself a fact."
>>
>> Should be interesting!
>>
>> On 2012-04-12, at 5:05 PM, Kent Mewhort wrote:
>>
>>> Glad to see this is stirring up interest and some well called-for
>>> criticism!! ?CIPPIC's representing Geolytica pro bono in this matter
>>> and, on Mr. Ruci's behalf, we just filed a Statement of Defense at
>>> the federal court this afternoon
>>>
>>> At this point I won't comment too much on the mailing list here, but for

those interested, ?check out the full text of our filing:
http://www.cippic.ca/en/copyright/geolytica-statement-of-defence.

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I've been meaning to send this out so hope it is not old news as this
community is I know well apprised of such things. Anyhow here's an
interesting use of technology on the part of a developer here in Toronto in
capturing resident feedback for the City of Toronto's Core Service Review
plans. http://whattorontosaid.com/ While we all speak to access to data for
various reasons, it is also about the importance of the interplay between
the technology, data, and community engagement within the overall goal of
people's opportunity to shape decision-making at City Hall.
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