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Mark Weiler

Re: RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO Program, and s13(1) (The Munroes)

Warren,

Section 13 in BC is an exemption known to have a large appetite and to be eating public information. The BC Information Summit (http://www.infosummit.ca/agenda.php), which is tomorrow, will surely have some of this discussion on the table providing access to Members of Legislature, Assistant Deputy Ministers, journalists, and more.

Mark

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Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:01:29 -0400
From: Michael Mulley <[hidden email]>
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I'm happy to announce a new API to match a Canadian address to its political
districts.

At the moment it handles federal ridings, provincial ridings for all
provinces save PEI (who've been quite helpful, and should be in soon) and
Nova Scotia, and a handful of municipalities.

It's part of vote.ca, a new site I did the coding on that's a prototype of a
general-purpose polling-place locator.

See http://vote.ca/api/ for docs.

michael
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Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO
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Thank you Mark for keeping us up to date,

Perhaps an effort can be made to remove Section 13 (1) from the FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND PROTECTION OF PRIVACY ACT, which reads ...
?The head of a public body may refuse to disclose to an applicant information that would reveal advice or recommendations developed by or for a public body or a minister.?
Section 13 (1) was used to refuse to disclose the advice given to the Executive Director of BC Stats immediately prior to ordering an employee (the Population Analyst who had raised concerns about irregularities in the creation of population numbers) to leave the BC Stats offices and was "escorted" off government property.
For more information, please see the letter to the BC Information Commissioner at http://www.wminfomatics.com/WP/home.html.
Perhaps the Information Commissioners, and others, could explain why this clause is in the Act.
Do tax payers pay for this advice?
Will the Information Commissioner disclose what was said?

Warren Munroe

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From: Mark Weiler <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:57 pm
Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO Program, FOI Music, +
To: civicaccess-discuss <[hidden email]>, visiblegovernment-discuss <[hidden email]>

>
> Does everyone know that this Monday Sept 27 to Friday Oct 1 is
> Right to Know Week? It's the week to raise awareness about
> access rights through FOI legislation.
>
> Lots of things are going on across Canada. Take a look:
> http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/86
> Tracey Lauriault, David Eaves, and Michael Mulley, who have
> posted on these lists, will be presenting (did I miss anyone?)
> at some of the Ottawa events. Jennifer Bell presented last year
> too (http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/35#CA)
>
> To mark Right to Know Week, raise some discussion, and get feet
> tapping, here are a couple of things:
>
> 1. From the Canada's Chief Information Officers to you...
>
> In April 2010, the Treasury Board of Canada hosted the Chief
> Information Officer Executive Summit in which Open Government
> Data was discussed.
> The official program for the summit (Eng & Fra), the GCPedia
> entry for the CIO 2010 Executive Summit (Eng, Fra) and the
> GCPedia entry for the CIO / Open Data Summit (Eng, Fra) were
> acquired through the Access to Information Act and can be
> downloaded in a blog I posted here:
> http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/93The blog
> discusses how how open government and access to information can
> overlap.
>
> 2. Freedom of Information Music
>
> Results of the 2010 survey for "Freedom of Information Music"
> can be found here:
> http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/18
>
> Suggested songs include:
>
> "I see you" by Leona Lewis
>
> "Janane ka haq (Right to Know)" (the anthem of the Right
> to Information movement in India)
>
> "FOIB - Are You Pickable, Mr. Politician?" by Prof Lungu (Ghana/Japan)
>
> "Suspicious Minds" by Elvis Presley
>
> "What's Up?" by 4 Non-Blondes
>
> "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves
>
> "Access to Information" a message from the Access to Information
> Unit (Jamacia)
>
>
> 3. Live Chat with Information Commissioners...
> There will be a live on-line chat with Information (and Privacy)
> commissioners starting tomorrow:
> http://www.righttoknow.ca/chat/schedule.asp If you'd like a
> glimpse of plans for 2011's Right to Know Week,
> http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/11
>
> Happy Right to Know Week,
>
> Mark Weiler
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The Munroes

Re: RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO Program, and s13(1) (The Munroes)

Thanks again Mark,

I am glad to hear that section 13 (1) is being discussed.

The refusal to disclose advice points to important issues and a cover up.

Reminds me of clerics whispering in the ears of rulers. http://www.wminfomatics.com/WP/Discrime.html

The last statement I made prior to the advice was a reference to Ivan Fellegie's statement about the role of Analysis as a "Contribution to maintaining political independence."

http://www.wminfomatics.com/WP/petition/Fellegiemail1.pdf

I hope that the rest of Canada does not adopt the non-statistical, sub-standard methods and models used by BC Stats.

All the best, and keep up the good work,

Warren

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From: Mark Weiler <[hidden email]>
Date: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:43 am
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO Program, and s13(1) (The Munroes)
To: [hidden email]

> Warren,
>
> Section 13 in BC is an exemption known to have a large appetite
> and to be eating public information. The BC Information Summit
> (http://www.infosummit.ca/agenda.php), which is tomorrow, will
> surely have some of this discussion on the table providing
> access to Members of Legislature, Assistant Deputy Ministers,
> journalists, and more.
>
> Mark
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [hidden email]
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:00:06 AM
> Subject: CivicAccess-discuss Digest, Vol 38, Issue 28
>
> Send CivicAccess-discuss mailing list submissions to
> [hidden email]
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> [hidden email]
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> [hidden email]
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of CivicAccess-discuss digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
> 1. New API: Electoral districts (Michael Mulley)
> 2. Re: RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO Program, and
> s13(1) (The Munroes)
>
>
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:01:29 -0400
> From: Michael Mulley <[hidden email]>
> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]>,
> [hidden email]
> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] New API: Electoral districts
> Message-ID:
> <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> I'm happy to announce a new API to match a Canadian address to
> its political
> districts.
>
> At the moment it handles federal ridings, provincial ridings for all
> provinces save PEI (who've been quite helpful, and should be in
> soon) and
> Nova Scotia, and a handful of municipalities.
>
> It's part of vote.ca, a new site I did the coding on that's a
> prototype of a
> general-purpose polling-place locator.
>
> See http://vote.ca/api/ for docs.
>
> michael
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> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:30:36 -0700
> From: The Munroes <[hidden email]>
> To: civicaccess discuss <[hidden email]>
> Cc: visiblegovernment-discuss
> <[hidden email]>, civicaccess-discuss
> <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO
> Program, and s13(1)
> Message-ID: <[hidden email]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Thank you Mark for keeping us up to date,
>
> Perhaps an effort can be made to remove Section 13 (1) from the
> FREEDOM OF INFORMATION AND PROTECTION OF PRIVACY ACT, which
> reads ...
> ?The head of a public body may refuse to disclose to an
> applicant information that would reveal advice or
> recommendations developed by or for a public body or a
> minister.?
> Section 13 (1) was used to refuse to disclose the advice given
> to the Executive Director of BC Stats immediately prior to
> ordering an employee (the Population Analyst who had raised
> concerns about irregularities in the creation of population
> numbers) to leave the BC Stats offices and was "escorted" off
> government property.
> For more information, please see the letter to the BC
> Information Commissioner at http://www.wminfomatics.com/WP/home.html.
> Perhaps the Information Commissioners, and others, could explain
> why this clause is in the Act.
> Do tax payers pay for this advice?
> Will the Information Commissioner disclose what was said?
>
> Warren Munroe
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Weiler <[hidden email]>
> Date: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:57 pm
> Subject: [CivicAccess-discuss] RTK Week: Open Gov Data CIO
> Program, FOI Music, +
> To: civicaccess-discuss <[hidden email]>,
> visiblegovernment-discuss <visiblegovernment-
> [hidden email]>
> >
> > Does everyone know that this Monday Sept 27 to Friday Oct 1 is
> > Right to Know Week? It's the week to raise awareness about
> > access rights through FOI legislation.
> >
> > Lots of things are going on across Canada. Take a look:
> > http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/86
> > Tracey Lauriault, David Eaves, and Michael Mulley, who have
> > posted on these lists, will be presenting (did I miss anyone?)
> > at some of the Ottawa events. Jennifer Bell presented last
> year
> > too (http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/35#CA)
> >
> > To mark Right to Know Week, raise some discussion, and get
> feet
> > tapping, here are a couple of things:
> >
> > 1. From the Canada's Chief Information Officers to you...
> >
> > In April 2010, the Treasury Board of Canada hosted the Chief
> > Information Officer Executive Summit in which Open Government
> > Data was discussed.
> > The official program for the summit (Eng & Fra), the GCPedia
> > entry for the CIO 2010 Executive Summit (Eng, Fra) and the
> > GCPedia entry for the CIO / Open Data Summit (Eng, Fra) were
> > acquired through the Access to Information Act and can be
> > downloaded in a blog I posted here:
> > http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/93The blog
> > discusses how how open government and access to information
> can
> > overlap.
> >
> > 2. Freedom of Information Music
> >
> > Results of the 2010 survey for "Freedom of Information Music"
> > can be found here:
> > http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/18
> >
> > Suggested songs include:
> >
> > "I see you" by Leona Lewis
> >
> > "Janane ka haq (Right to Know)" (the anthem of the Right
> > to Information movement in India)
> >
> > "FOIB - Are You Pickable, Mr. Politician?" by Prof Lungu
> (Ghana/Japan)>
> > "Suspicious Minds" by Elvis Presley
> >
> > "What's Up?" by 4 Non-Blondes
> >
> > "Walking on Sunshine" by Katrina and the Waves
> >
> > "Access to Information" a message from the Access to
> Information
> > Unit (Jamacia)
> >
> >
> > 3. Live Chat with Information Commissioners...
> > There will be a live on-line chat with Information (and
> Privacy)
> > commissioners starting tomorrow:
> > http://www.righttoknow.ca/chat/schedule.asp If you'd like a
> > glimpse of plans for 2011's Right to Know Week,
> > http://www.opengovernmentrecords.net/drupal/node/11
> >
> > Happy Right to Know Week,
> >
> > Mark Weiler
> > _______________________________________________
> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
> > [hidden email]
> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
> >
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