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Thank you Christian;
I just went to take a look and I can see that you provided a new comment box, excellent, however, there was also a request for
Yes No For Some Jurisdictions Unsure and to have a place for notes right there. For example, on the transportation question, sure you can get a paper schedule for most, but for us in Canada, as previously discussed, transit is not delivered by a central national authority, it is deliverly by cities and municipalities. If we decided to narrow things a bit, from 3500 cities, and decide to pick all cities over 100 000 people, then we would be down to about 37 cities, then we would have to assess at that level. For each of your questions. For the time being we would have to respond unsure for all, and write this big long note to you.
In addition, Statistics Canada just sent Diane and I a note requesting that we up the score for Statistical Data, see the correspondence below. Again, the way the government is structured we can say yes to some, but must say no to others. For example, might be yes for some at the federal level, not all departments, but then when we get to provinces and territories, then the issue becomes very problematic. Think of Canada as you would the EU in terms of federated jurisdictions with different ways of doing things.
I tried to participate in the WG remotely, but as you were aware, the wifi issue was problematic. I am not sure how we can work with this new version, as wonderful as it might be for those who have centralized national governments who do all of these things.
How can I help improve this with you so that we can have a more nuanced picture of the results? I would be so happy to participate in a working groups of sorts. Sincerely Tracey
StatCan correspondence below: Andrew;
Some of Statistics
Canada data are under that licence, most are not. For example, economic
division, environment, health, crime and so on are not nor are
population projections, death rates, birth rates and so on are not under
that licence. If you wish to have cross tabs on the free data, that is
at a very large cost, as that is considered a custom order, of if you
want data aggregated to boundaries such as wards, neighbourhoods or
health districts, that also is a very hight cost. In addition, our
current government cancelled the census, as you know, the free data from
the national household survey are considered unreliable and uneven and
do not scale down to smaller geographies due to the methodology
adapted. Statistics Canada made the census data free, real census data
as they had recovered the costs from earlier sales, what they made free
were these NHS which are of much less quality and ealier census data
only.
What is available via the portal is a small sample of what the
statistical agency holds, and in fact, for real data practioners and
users, we do not go to the portal as the search functionality is
terrible. The system in place does not scale well. Most people still
go to the statistics canada website as you have the data with the
methodological guides, the surveys and so on, the information
surrounding the data. In theory a centralized portal seems nice, but
the reality is, in the case of Canada anyway, there is a distance
created between the data producer and the user when the data are
centralized in this way, which means you loose context and access to the
specialists who can answer questions. Also, the geographic search for
the data are lost in this centralized portal. So it is not the best
way.
Furthermore, that is only one agency, there is
citizenship, hrsdc, industry, and so on who all produce statistical data
as well as administrative data and their data are not in the portal as
they should be nor are they available from their site. The ranking is
not just for Statcan it is for statistical data in general.
I think the score should remain the same, and in fact, if
we actually had access to the inventory of datasets produced by the
federal government, we may consider lowering this score even more, as
only a small sample of actually produced federal data are in that
portal. Finally, with the decimation of Library and Archives Canada,
access to historical data are now impeded.
Until which time that all data are open, I think this score has to stay. Thank you for bringing it up howerver. Sincerely
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 4:58 PM, <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello Diane, Tracey and Patricia,
As you are listed as editors for Canada for the OKFN Open Data
Census, we are contacting you regarding updates to the OKFN website.
The National Statistics section for Canada in the G8 OKFN Open Data
Census has a mark of 3/6. The reasoning for that mark is that Canadian
national statistics are not openly licensed and free.
This is outdated information, the data on the Statistics Canada
website is free and openly licensed since 2012. The licence is available
here:
Would you contact or update the OKFN website to reflect these changes and increase the mark?
Thank you,
Andrew
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