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Tracey P. Lauriault

Re: Mapping stops for OC?

Hey Gang! Can anyone help Joe!

Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Joe Brownstein <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe

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Rocha, Roberto (Montreal Gazette)

Re: Mapping stops for OC?

What he wants is the GTFS file of the OC:

http://data.ottawa.ca/en/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules

This is a standard file format used by Google Maps for trip planning, and adopted by several transit agencies worldwide.

The zip file will have seven files. The one called stops.txt has the ID, name and lat/lon coordinates of each stop.

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Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Mapping stops for OC?

Hey Gang! Can anyone help Joe!

Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Joe Brownstein <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi guys,

Thanks, -Joe

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Glen Newton

Re: Mapping stops for OC?

Note (broken-record-here) that the City of Ottawa terms of use is NOT an Open Data license.

http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/terms-use#terms

It has an indemnification clause that has the potential to bankrupt a developer or company:

"If, as a result of your breach of these Terms of Use, the City gets sued or is required to pay someone money, you agree to protect the City and reimburse the City for everything which you cause the City to suffer. This means that you agree to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the City and all of its agents from any and all liabilities incurred in connection with any claim arising from any breach by you of these Terms of Use, including reasonable legal fees and costs. You agree to cooperate fully in the defence of any such claim. The City reserves the right to assume, at its own expense, the exclusive defence and control of any matter otherwise subject to indemnification by you. You agree not to settle any matter without the written consent of the City."

DO NOT USE THIS DATA UNLESS YOU HAVE VERY DEEP POCKETS.

See: "Open Data Is Not Open for Business" http://gijn.org/2014/09/22/open-data-is-not-open-for-business/

See previous discussions / unfortunate-rants-on-my-part here:
http://civicaccess.48776.x6.nabble.com/Fwd-OpenDataBC-New-OpenDataBC-Portal-td7117.html

-glen

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Rocha, Roberto (Montreal Gazette) <[hidden email]> wrote:

What he wants is the GTFS file of the OC:

http://data.ottawa.ca/en/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules

This is a standard file format used by Google Maps for trip planning, and adopted by several transit agencies worldwide.

The zip file will have seven files. The one called stops.txt has the ID, name and lat/lon coordinates of each stop.

ROBERTO ROCHA
DATA JOURNALIST
JOURNALISTE DE DONNÉES

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M <a href="tel:514.209.1138" value="+15142091138" target="_blank">514.209.1138
1010 RUE SAINTE-CATHERINE O., BUREAU 200
MONTREAL, QC H3B 5L1
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tracey P. Lauriault
Sent: February-03-15 2:26 PM
To: [hidden email]; civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Mapping stops for OC?

Hey Gang! Can anyone help Joe!
Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Joe Brownstein <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe
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john whelan

Re: Mapping stops for OC?

Which is interesting as Google only accepts GTFS data under their own terms which I think excludes liability. One rule for Google and one for everyone else?

Cheerio John

On 3 February 2015 at 15:40, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:

Note (broken-record-here) that the City of Ottawa terms of use is NOT an Open Data license.

http://ottawa.ca/en/mobile-apps-and-open-data/terms-use#terms

It has an indemnification clause that has the potential to bankrupt a developer or company:

"If, as a result of your breach of these Terms of Use, the City gets sued or is required to pay someone money, you agree to protect the City and reimburse the City for everything which you cause the City to suffer. This means that you agree to defend, indemnify, and hold harmless the City and all of its agents from any and all liabilities incurred in connection with any claim arising from any breach by you of these Terms of Use, including reasonable legal fees and costs. You agree to cooperate fully in the defence of any such claim. The City reserves the right to assume, at its own expense, the exclusive defence and control of any matter otherwise subject to indemnification by you. You agree not to settle any matter without the written consent of the City."

DO NOT USE THIS DATA UNLESS YOU HAVE VERY DEEP POCKETS.

See: "Open Data Is Not Open for Business" http://gijn.org/2014/09/22/open-data-is-not-open-for-business/

See previous discussions / unfortunate-rants-on-my-part here:
http://civicaccess.48776.x6.nabble.com/Fwd-OpenDataBC-New-OpenDataBC-Portal-td7117.html

See also:
- 2011 discussion here: http://opendataexpert.com/2011/gc-open-data-review/
- https://cippic.ca/sites/default/files/open-licensing/Ottawa_License_Report-2010-11-15.pdf
- http://razor.occams.info/blog/2014/10/29/dc-updates-its-open-data-terms-of-use-round-2/
-

-glen

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Rocha, Roberto (Montreal Gazette) <[hidden email]> wrote:
What he wants is the GTFS file of the OC:

http://data.ottawa.ca/en/dataset/oc-transpo-schedules

This is a standard file format used by Google Maps for trip planning, and adopted by several transit agencies worldwide.

The zip file will have seven files. The one called stops.txt has the ID, name and lat/lon coordinates of each stop.

ROBERTO ROCHA
DATA JOURNALIST
JOURNALISTE DE DONNÉES

T <a href="tel:514.987.2489" value="+15149872489" target="_blank">514.987.2489
M <a href="tel:514.209.1138" value="+15142091138" target="_blank">514.209.1138
1010 RUE SAINTE-CATHERINE O., BUREAU 200
MONTREAL, QC H3B 5L1
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Tracey P. Lauriault
Sent: February-03-15 2:26 PM
To: [hidden email]; civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] Mapping stops for OC?

Hey Gang! Can anyone help Joe!
Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe

On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Joe Brownstein <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi guys,

Is there a reliable way to map ALL of the bus stops by coordinates (and then saved by server cache or other mechanism)?...Is there a KML file or other that can be used or does data need to be "harvested" from the API (I use the term harvest loosely as I know it is against TOS)?

Thanks, -Joe
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