Re: [CommunityInformaticsCanada] RE: A Very Powerful Graphic on Canada's Relative Status on Internet Speeds and Costs :(

[michael gurstein]

Thanks for this Catherine!

(I admit to having only really glanced at the graphic, seeing the relative
size of Canada as compared to its OECD colleagues, nodding as it seemed to
confirm what I already knew/assumed and passing it along :(

(And you are right, on closer examination it is very confusing...

(Ain't the Internet grand!)

Tks again! (I'm copying this to the civic access list where I also sent the
graphic...

M

-----Original Message-----
From: Catherine Middleton [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:53 AM
To: michael gurstein
Cc: CRACIN Canada discussion; [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [CommunityInformaticsCanada] RE: A Very Powerful Graphic on
Canada's Relative Status on Internet Speeds and Costs :(


Here's the link to the CIRA version:
http://cira.ca/assets/Documents/Publications/Broadband_infographic

The infographic is based on OECD data, available at
http://www.oecd.org/document/54/0,3343,en_2649_34225_38690102_1_1_1_1,00.htm
l.

I find the infographic quite confusing, as it's combining measures. The OECD
number used for the average connection speed (Table 5a) is an average
ADVERTISED speed. I don't believe the actual average connection speed in
Canada is anywhere near 21 Mbps. The CRTC (2009 figures) says that only 44%
of Canadian high speed connections are at 5 Mbps or greater. Akamai's
*measure* of average connection speed in Canada is 5.5 Mbps in Q4 2010.

In my view, the average price for 1 mbps isn't a very meaningful measure for
retail internet price comparisons (although can be useful in understanding
pricing for ISPs, as Brian points out). I'm not sure where the $4.15 price
for 1 Mbps number comes from.

While the prices Canadians pay for internet (and other telecom services) are
high relative to many other countries, I don't find this infographic to be
particularly helpful in making that case.

Catherine

Akamai (2010). The State of the Internet - 4th Quarter 2010 Report.
Cambridge, MA: Akamai.

Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission (2010).
Communications Monitoring Report.  Ottawa: Canadian Radio-television and
Telecommunications Commission.
http://www.crtc.gc.ca/eng/publications/reports/PolicyMonitoring/2010/cmr2010
.pdf. (new report should be out very soon)


On 20/07/2011, at 10:04 AM, michael gurstein wrote:

> Apologies I should have included the reference:
>
> The graphic was pointed to by Jennifer Austin from CIRA in a comment
> she made to an article in the Economist discussing how "The internet
> is not that global after all".
>
> Anyone interested could probably get a more usable version through a
> direct contact with CIRA.
>
> Best,
>
> M
>
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[Karl Dubost]

Le 20 juil. 2011 à 11:28, michael gurstein a écrit :
> In my view, the average price for 1 mbps isn't a very meaningful measure for
> retail internet price comparisons (although can be useful in understanding
> pricing for ISPs, as Brian points out). I'm not sure where the $4.15 price
> for 1 Mbps number comes from.

And if you had the mobile phone data plans… the picture changes a lot

An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices
http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices

Unlimited Data Plan 73$/month (without voice and text)
Minimum Cost for Voice, data, text: 67.50$/month


--
Karl Dubost
Montréal, QC, Canada
http://www.la-grange.net/karl/

[Michael Lenczner-2]

I kind of think this is OT for this list.

There are other lists to discuss internet connectivity in Canada. I
like that CivicAccess has stayed on focus. It's of the things that
makes it a great list.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Karl Dubost <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Le 20 juil. 2011 à 11:28, michael gurstein a écrit :
>> In my view, the average price for 1 mbps isn't a very meaningful measure for
>> retail internet price comparisons (although can be useful in understanding
>> pricing for ISPs, as Brian points out). I'm not sure where the $4.15 price
>> for 1 Mbps number comes from.
>
> And if you had the mobile phone data plans… the picture changes a lot
>
> An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices
> http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices
>
> Unlimited Data Plan 73$/month (without voice and text)
> Minimum Cost for Voice, data, text: 67.50$/month
>
>
> --
> Karl Dubost
> Montréal, QC, Canada
> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
>
> _______________________________________________
> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
> [hidden email]
> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss

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514-400-4500
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[David Eaves]

+1

On 11-07-20 8:49 AM, Michael Lenczner wrote:

> I kind of think this is OT for this list.
>
> There are other lists to discuss internet connectivity in Canada. I
> like that CivicAccess has stayed on focus. It's of the things that
> makes it a great list.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Karl Dubost<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Le 20 juil. 2011 à 11:28, michael gurstein a écrit :
>>> In my view, the average price for 1 mbps isn't a very meaningful measure for
>>> retail internet price comparisons (although can be useful in understanding
>>> pricing for ISPs, as Brian points out). I'm not sure where the $4.15 price
>>> for 1 Mbps number comes from.
>> And if you had the mobile phone data plans… the picture changes a lot
>>
>> An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices
>> http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices
>>
>> Unlimited Data Plan 73$/month (without voice and text)
>> Minimum Cost for Voice, data, text: 67.50$/month
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karl Dubost
>> Montréal, QC, Canada
>> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss

[michael gurstein]

Sure, not a problem...

Also, as Michael L. and a few others on this list know, issues of "internet
connectivity" and other things having to do with communities and
ICTs/community informatics in Canada are discussed at
http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/cracin-canada . Folks are welcome
to join and/or pass along the invitation if you know others who might be
interested.

Best,

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Michael
Lenczner
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
To: civicaccess discuss
Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] A Very Powerful Graphic on Canada's
Relative Status on Internet Speeds and Costs :(


I kind of think this is OT for this list.

There are other lists to discuss internet connectivity in Canada. I like
that CivicAccess has stayed on focus. It's of the things that makes it a
great list.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Karl Dubost <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> Le 20 juil. 2011 à 11:28, michael gurstein a écrit :
>> In my view, the average price for 1 mbps isn't a very meaningful
>> measure for retail internet price comparisons (although can be useful
>> in understanding pricing for ISPs, as Brian points out). I'm not sure
>> where the $4.15 price for 1 Mbps number comes from.
>
> And if you had the mobile phone data plans… the picture changes a lot
>
> An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices
> http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_
> of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices
>
> Unlimited Data Plan 73$/month (without voice and text) Minimum Cost
> for Voice, data, text: 67.50$/month
>
>
> --
> Karl Dubost
> Montréal, QC, Canada
> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
>
> _______________________________________________
> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email]
> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss

--
Michael Lenczner
CEO, Ajah
http://www.ajah.ca
514-400-4500
1-888-406-2524 (AJAH) _______________________________________________
CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email]
http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss

[Michael Lenczner-2]

Thanks, Michael. Nice to have you onboard and +1 on encouraging folks
to head to the CRACIN mailing list to discuss these topics. It's a
good mailing list as well.

Mike L.

On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, michael gurstein <[hidden email]> wrote:

> Sure, not a problem...
>
> Also, as Michael L. and a few others on this list know, issues of "internet
> connectivity" and other things having to do with communities and
> ICTs/community informatics in Canada are discussed at
> http://vancouvercommunity.net/lists/info/cracin-canada . Folks are welcome
> to join and/or pass along the invitation if you know others who might be
> interested.
>
> Best,
>
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Michael
> Lenczner
> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:49 AM
> To: civicaccess discuss
> Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] A Very Powerful Graphic on Canada's
> Relative Status on Internet Speeds and Costs :(
>
>
> I kind of think this is OT for this list.
>
> There are other lists to discuss internet connectivity in Canada. I like
> that CivicAccess has stayed on focus. It's of the things that makes it a
> great list.
>
> On Wednesday, July 20, 2011, Karl Dubost <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Le 20 juil. 2011 à 11:28, michael gurstein a écrit :
>>> In my view, the average price for 1 mbps isn't a very meaningful
>>> measure for retail internet price comparisons (although can be useful
>>> in understanding pricing for ISPs, as Brian points out). I'm not sure
>>> where the $4.15 price for 1 Mbps number comes from.
>>
>> And if you had the mobile phone data plans… the picture changes a lot
>>
>> An International Comparison of Cell Phone Plans and Prices
>> http://newamerica.net/publications/policy/an_international_comparison_
>> of_cell_phone_plans_and_prices
>>
>> Unlimited Data Plan 73$/month (without voice and text) Minimum Cost
>> for Voice, data, text: 67.50$/month
>>
>>
>> --
>> Karl Dubost
>> Montréal, QC, Canada
>> http://www.la-grange.net/karl/
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email]
>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>
> --
> Michael Lenczner
> CEO, Ajah
> http://www.ajah.ca
> 514-400-4500
> 1-888-406-2524 (AJAH) _______________________________________________
> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email]
> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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Michael Lenczner
CEO, Ajah
http://www.ajah.ca
514-400-4500
1-888-406-2524 (AJAH)