Re: About this wiki

[Patrick Dinnen]

Hi Stephane
I got your message to the list no problem and it is sitting in the
archives. You didn't receive the message because the way mailman is
configured right now you don't get a copy of the messages you send. I
set it up like that because it's my preference, but maybe I should
change it so the default is that you do get the message and people can
change it if they want. What do you think?

OK, got work I should be on my way to already.

Patrick

Stephane Guidoin wrote:

> Hi Patrick
>
> I tried to send a message using the mailing list and nothing happened (I
> didn't received my mail and it didn't bounce). Did you received
> something. If not, could you have a look to see if mailman is ok
>
> Steph
>
> Patrick Dinnen wrote:
>
>> That looks like a great summary of what we're about Tracy. Here's my
>> crack at something on creativity:
>>
>> * Easy access to accurate, timely and appropriately formatted civic
>> data means that citizens can reimagine [is that a word even?] how they
>> understand and analyse the workings of the democracy they live in.
>>
>> Ouch, that seems to be twice as long as any of the points you made
>> Tracey and I'm still not sure it makes the point. Working as a civil
>> servant during the day seems to have taken its toll on my powers of
>> expression :-(
>>
>> What I'm trying to get at here is that, as an example, the City of
>> Toronto only publishes the results of Council meetings as one huge
>> impenetrable PDF and that several weeks after the fact. So doing
>> anything interesting with the data (even 20th century interesting,
>> never mind 21st) gets pretty difficult.
>>
>> Patrick
>>
>> Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
>>
>>> A start! Stéphane, Patrick and CFYAW i put this up on the wiki
>>> yesterday, can you spice this up at all! Certainly creativity should
>>> be in there somewhere to! Oh the French part...
>>> ************************
>>>
>>> This wiki aims to build a culture of finding, accessing and sharing
>>> free civic data because:
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       A democracy is founded on the principle of participation in the
>>>       decision-making process.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Good decisions are based on the analysis of reliable and accurate
>>>       civic data.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Currently access to civic data are impeded by cost recovery
>>>       policies, IP, security and confidentiality.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Data holders are often overly cautious for the latter two.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Citizens have already paid for their civic data through taxation
>>>       and should have the right to easily access them
>>>
>>>           o
>>>
>>>             at no cost for non-commercial purposes.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Informed citizens and civil society groups need to be equal,
>>>       informed and active participants in their societies.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       This is what a democracy looks like!
>>>
>>> Ce wiki a comme but de déveloper une culture de citoyen/nes qui
>>> découvreront, accèderont et partagerons des données civiques gratuite
>>> parce que:
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Une démocracie est basé sur le principe de participation dans les
>>>       decisions politiques.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       L'analyze des données civiques est fondamentalement nécéssaire
>>>       pour la formulation de bonnes décisions.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Couramment, l'accès au données civiques est entravé par les
>>>       politiques economiques, la propriétée intelectuelle,
>>>
>>>           o
>>>
>>>             la sécurité et la confidentialité.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Les gardeurs des données sont souvent trops sensibles au deux
>>>       derniers points.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Les citoyens on déjà payer pour les données civiques avec leurs
>>>       taxes donc ils/elles devraient y avoir le droit de
>>>
>>>           o
>>>
>>>             les accéder facilement et sans frais pour des buts non
>>>             lucratifs.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Une citoyenneté et un secteur civique qui sont bien informé seront
>>>       egalement des participants actifs/ves.
>>>
>>>     *
>>>
>>>       Ceci est ce que est une démocracie.
>>>
>>
>
>

[Stephane Guidoin]

> I set it up like that because it's my preference, but maybe I should
> change it so the default is that you do get the message and people can
> change it if they want. What do you think?

Ok, it' correct. I just thought that all the mailing lists were sending the mail
to everybody in the list, even the sender of the message. But I think I prefer
this way also, I don't care receiving my own messages :p

Selon Patrick Dinnen <[hidden email]>:

> Hi Stephane
> I got your message to the list no problem and it is sitting in the
> archives. You didn't receive the message because the way mailman is
> configured right now you don't get a copy of the messages you send. I
> set it up like that because it's my preference, but maybe I should
> change it so the default is that you do get the message and people can
> change it if they want. What do you think?
>
> OK, got work I should be on my way to already.
>
> Patrick
>
> Stephane Guidoin wrote:
> > Hi Patrick
> >
> > I tried to send a message using the mailing list and nothing happened (I
> > didn't received my mail and it didn't bounce). Did you received
> > something. If not, could you have a look to see if mailman is ok
> >
> > Steph
> >
> > Patrick Dinnen wrote:
> >
> >> That looks like a great summary of what we're about Tracy. Here's my
> >> crack at something on creativity:
> >>
> >> * Easy access to accurate, timely and appropriately formatted civic
> >> data means that citizens can reimagine [is that a word even?] how they
> >> understand and analyse the workings of the democracy they live in.
> >>
> >> Ouch, that seems to be twice as long as any of the points you made
> >> Tracey and I'm still not sure it makes the point. Working as a civil
> >> servant during the day seems to have taken its toll on my powers of
> >> expression :-(
> >>
> >> What I'm trying to get at here is that, as an example, the City of
> >> Toronto only publishes the results of Council meetings as one huge
> >> impenetrable PDF and that several weeks after the fact. So doing
> >> anything interesting with the data (even 20th century interesting,
> >> never mind 21st) gets pretty difficult.
> >>
> >> Patrick
> >>
> >> Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
> >>
> >>> A start! Stéphane, Patrick and CFYAW i put this up on the wiki
> >>> yesterday, can you spice this up at all! Certainly creativity should
> >>> be in there somewhere to! Oh the French part...
> >>> ************************
> >>>
> >>> This wiki aims to build a culture of finding, accessing and sharing
> >>> free civic data because:
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       A democracy is founded on the principle of participation in the
> >>>       decision-making process.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Good decisions are based on the analysis of reliable and accurate
> >>>       civic data.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Currently access to civic data are impeded by cost recovery
> >>>       policies, IP, security and confidentiality.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Data holders are often overly cautious for the latter two.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Citizens have already paid for their civic data through taxation
> >>>       and should have the right to easily access them
> >>>
> >>>           o
> >>>
> >>>             at no cost for non-commercial purposes.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Informed citizens and civil society groups need to be equal,
> >>>       informed and active participants in their societies.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       This is what a democracy looks like!
> >>>
> >>> Ce wiki a comme but de déveloper une culture de citoyen/nes qui
> >>> découvreront, accèderont et partagerons des données civiques gratuite
> >>> parce que:
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Une démocracie est basé sur le principe de participation dans les
> >>>       decisions politiques.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       L'analyze des données civiques est fondamentalement nécéssaire
> >>>       pour la formulation de bonnes décisions.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Couramment, l'accès au données civiques est entravé par les
> >>>       politiques economiques, la propriétée intelectuelle,
> >>>
> >>>           o
> >>>
> >>>             la sécurité et la confidentialité.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Les gardeurs des données sont souvent trops sensibles au deux
> >>>       derniers points.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Les citoyens on déjà payer pour les données civiques avec leurs
> >>>       taxes donc ils/elles devraient y avoir le droit de
> >>>
> >>>           o
> >>>
> >>>             les accéder facilement et sans frais pour des buts non
> >>>             lucratifs.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Une citoyenneté et un secteur civique qui sont bien informé seront
> >>>       egalement des participants actifs/ves.
> >>>
> >>>     *
> >>>
> >>>       Ceci est ce que est une démocracie.
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
>
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