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http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_fact_sheet_details?vgnextoid=59986aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD
Via Marce Fortin on Carta-L -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) |
Re: New Licence City of Toronto
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does anyone know what was changed exactly?
On 2012-01-30, at 1:43 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
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I don't think anything. This license has been up for some time and is a copy of the uk and bc ogl. Think it went love in November of 2011. -- @daeaves Sent from my iPhone
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Re: New Licence City of Toronto
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The city issued a message about it this morning on the DATATo listserv.
I obviously had not been paying enough attention to the matter. I sent it out to the CARTA-l folks for information purposes. The discussions there don't centre on these things as much as they do on civicaccess. Marcel Fortin Map and Data Library University of Toronto On 12-01-30 1:56 PM, David Eaves wrote: > I don't think anything. This license has been up for some time and is a > copy of the uk and bc ogl. Think it went love in November of 2011. > > -- > www.eaves.ca <http://www.eaves.ca> > @daeaves > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-01-30, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > >> does anyone know what was changed exactly? >> >> JB >> OpenNorth.ca <http://www.opennorth.ca> >> MontrealOuvert.net <http://www.montrealouvert.net> >> jonathanbrun.com <http://www.jonathanbrun.com> >> >> On 2012-01-30, at 1:43 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >> >>> http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_fact_sheet_details?vgnextoid=59986aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD >>> >>> Via Marce Fortin on Carta-L >>> >>> -- >>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>> 613-234-2805 >>> >>> "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the >>> future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". >>> >>> Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, >>> (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Nice:
I'm not sure if the changes occurred in this most recent change, but improvements from when I last looked at it (http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/2010/07/its-not-open-data-so-stop-calling-it.html) - Versioning of license - Licensed materials fixed to license they were downloaded under and not impacted by new licenses ("The City may, from time to time, issue new versions of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto Datasets. However, You may continue to Use Datasets previously licenced under this version should You wish to do so") - Arbitrary retroactivity (see previous) removed: no longer this: "The City may at any time and from time to time add, delete, or change the datasets or these Terms of Use. Notice of changes may be posted on the home page for these datasets or this page. Any change is effective immediately upon posting, unless otherwise stated" I would have to say that I now agree that the City of Toronto data license is indeed an Open Data license. Good on ya, Toronto! :-) Toronto,yo you think you could talk to the Ottawa transit people (OCTranspo) and show them the Toronto real time TTC feed? http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD -Glen On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Eaves <[hidden email]> wrote: > I don't think anything. This license has been up for some time and is a copy > of the uk and bc ogl. Think it went love in November of 2011. > > -- > www.eaves.ca > @daeaves > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2012-01-30, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email]> wrote: > > does anyone know what was changed exactly? > > JB > OpenNorth.ca > MontrealOuvert.net > jonathanbrun.com > > On 2012-01-30, at 1:43 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_fact_sheet_details?vgnextoid=59986aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD > > Via Marce Fortin on Carta-L > > -- > Tracey P. Lauriault > 613-234-2805 > > "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the > future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". > > Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, > (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- - http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ - |
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I think the city was maybe quietly trying out this license for a short while before announcing it -- I believe this version was up at least a couple weeks back.
I completely agree with Glen: this is, indeed, an open license! There are, of course, still a couple of issues that we could nitpick about -- but I don't want to diminish the giant congratulations that Toronto deserves right now for getting this right. This is a major step. The license should work for most people's needs and appears fully compatible with international standards such as Creative Commons (CC-BY). Kent On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote: Nice: |
Re: New Licence City of Toronto
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I suppose one of the things they could improve right away then would be
a date and version to the license! On 12-01-30 2:24 PM, Kent Mewhort wrote: > I think the city was maybe quietly trying out this license for a short > while before announcing it -- I believe this version was up at least a > couple weeks back. > > I completely agree with Glen: this is, indeed, an open license! There > are, of course, still a couple of issues that we could nitpick about -- > but I don't want to diminish the giant congratulations that Toronto > deserves right now for getting this right. This is a major step. The > license should work for most people's needs and appears fully compatible > with international standards such as Creative Commons (CC-BY). > > Kent > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > Nice: > I'm not sure if the changes occurred in this most recent change, but > improvements from when I last looked at it > (http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/2010/07/its-not-open-data-so-stop-calling-it.html) > > - Versioning of license > > - Licensed materials fixed to license they were downloaded under and > not impacted by new licenses ("The City may, from time to time, issue > new versions of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto Datasets. > However, You may continue to Use Datasets previously licenced under > this version should You wish to do so") > > - Arbitrary retroactivity (see previous) removed: no longer this: "The > City may at any time and from time to time add, delete, or change the > datasets or these Terms of Use. Notice of changes may be posted on the > home page for these datasets or this page. Any change is effective > immediately upon posting, unless otherwise stated" > > I would have to say that I now agree that the City of Toronto data > license is indeed an Open Data license. > Good on ya, Toronto! :-) > > Toronto,yo you think you could talk to the Ottawa transit people > (OCTranspo) and show them the Toronto real time TTC feed? > http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD > <http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD> > > -Glen > > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Eaves <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > I don't think anything. This license has been up for some time > and is a copy > > of the uk and bc ogl. Think it went love in November of 2011. > > > > -- > > www.eaves.ca <http://www.eaves.ca> > > @daeaves > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > On 2012-01-30, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: > > > > does anyone know what was changed exactly? > > > > JB > > OpenNorth.ca > > MontrealOuvert.net > > jonathanbrun.com <http://jonathanbrun.com> > > > > On 2012-01-30, at 1:43 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > > > > > http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_fact_sheet_details?vgnextoid=59986aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD > > > > Via Marce Fortin on Carta-L > > > > -- > > Tracey P. Lauriault > > 613-234-2805 <tel:613-234-2805> > > > > "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the > > future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". > > > > Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, > > > (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) > > _______________________________________________ > > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > -- > - > http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ > - > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > <mailto:[hidden email]> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Marcel Fortin
<[hidden email]> wrote: > I suppose one of the things they could improve right away then would be a > date and version to the license! You mean date? "This is version 2.0 of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto." > > > On 12-01-30 2:24 PM, Kent Mewhort wrote: >> >> I think the city was maybe quietly trying out this license for a short >> while before announcing it -- I believe this version was up at least a >> couple weeks back. >> >> I completely agree with Glen: this is, indeed, an open license! There >> are, of course, still a couple of issues that we could nitpick about -- >> but I don't want to diminish the giant congratulations that Toronto >> deserves right now for getting this right. This is a major step. The >> license should work for most people's needs and appears fully compatible >> with international standards such as Creative Commons (CC-BY). >> >> Kent >> >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> >> Nice: >> I'm not sure if the changes occurred in this most recent change, but >> improvements from when I last looked at it >> >> (http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/2010/07/its-not-open-data-so-stop-calling-it.html) >> >> - Versioning of license >> >> - Licensed materials fixed to license they were downloaded under and >> not impacted by new licenses ("The City may, from time to time, issue >> new versions of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto Datasets. >> However, You may continue to Use Datasets previously licenced under >> this version should You wish to do so") >> >> - Arbitrary retroactivity (see previous) removed: no longer this: "The >> City may at any time and from time to time add, delete, or change the >> datasets or these Terms of Use. Notice of changes may be posted on the >> home page for these datasets or this page. Any change is effective >> immediately upon posting, unless otherwise stated" >> >> I would have to say that I now agree that the City of Toronto data >> license is indeed an Open Data license. >> Good on ya, Toronto! :-) >> >> Toronto,yo you think you could talk to the Ottawa transit people >> (OCTranspo) and show them the Toronto real time TTC feed? >> >> http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD >> >> <http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD> >> >> -Glen >> >> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Eaves <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> > I don't think anything. This license has been up for some time >> and is a copy >> > of the uk and bc ogl. Think it went love in November of 2011. >> > >> > -- >> > www.eaves.ca <http://www.eaves.ca> >> >> > @daeaves >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > On 2012-01-30, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >> > >> > does anyone know what was changed exactly? >> > >> > JB >> > OpenNorth.ca >> > MontrealOuvert.net >> > jonathanbrun.com <http://jonathanbrun.com> >> >> > >> > On 2012-01-30, at 1:43 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >> > >> > >> >> http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_fact_sheet_details?vgnextoid=59986aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD >> > >> > Via Marce Fortin on Carta-L >> > >> > -- >> > Tracey P. Lauriault >> > 613-234-2805 <tel:613-234-2805> >> >> > >> > "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the >> > future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". >> > >> > Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, >> > >> >> (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> > [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> >> -- >> - >> http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ >> - >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> <mailto:[hidden email]> >> >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- - http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ - |
Re: New Licence City of Toronto
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Marcel;
These was quite a good discussion that took place here at a public consulation on the licenses (https://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2010/07/21/changecamp-ottawa-2010-open-data-terms-of-use-session/), CIPPIC has produced a couple of very good reports and I will point you to them later. What is important for the Carta-l folks to know is that persistent public participation toward changing licenses and practices is key. And that persistence pays off even more when experts like CIPPIC are involved and city CIOs are open to ideas. It took two years of hard work and engagement to get the city of Toronto to change its license, and we are still waiting to hear from Ottawa, Vancouver, Edmonton and Montreal, although, Montreal adopted a licence that many are not happy with even if they were involved in the early discussions. BC was the vanguard in Ottawa and as Kent will tell you these are still specialized and localized and the adoption of international licenses would lead to better interoperability between states and different jurisdictions. Having Carta, CCA,CGA, CAPDU and DLI members with expertise in these areas take an issue and see it through would be excellent. The TBS open data catalog for instance needs some help, as do the city catalogs. Edmonton and Ottawa were introduced to the idea of federated cataloguing systems as used in ODESI but to date not much work has been done there yet. Librarians have lots to share here as they are cataloguers and metadataers extraordinaire and know what it meants to manage huge collection of data, records management systems and trusted digital repositories. I would love to see a librarian open data group emerge to offer their expertise in these areas to up and coming and existing open data jurisdictions. Ciao for now! t On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Marcel Fortin > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I suppose one of the things they could improve right away then would be a >> date and version to the license! > > You mean date? > > "This is version 2.0 of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto." > >> >> >> On 12-01-30 2:24 PM, Kent Mewhort wrote: >>> >>> I think the city was maybe quietly trying out this license for a short >>> while before announcing it -- I believe this version was up at least a >>> couple weeks back. >>> >>> I completely agree with Glen: this is, indeed, an open license! There >>> are, of course, still a couple of issues that we could nitpick about -- >>> but I don't want to diminish the giant congratulations that Toronto >>> deserves right now for getting this right. This is a major step. The >>> license should work for most people's needs and appears fully compatible >>> with international standards such as Creative Commons (CC-BY). >>> >>> Kent >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> >>> Nice: >>> I'm not sure if the changes occurred in this most recent change, but >>> improvements from when I last looked at it >>> >>> (http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/2010/07/its-not-open-data-so-stop-calling-it.html) >>> >>> - Versioning of license >>> >>> - Licensed materials fixed to license they were downloaded under and >>> not impacted by new licenses ("The City may, from time to time, issue >>> new versions of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto Datasets. >>> However, You may continue to Use Datasets previously licenced under >>> this version should You wish to do so") >>> >>> - Arbitrary retroactivity (see previous) removed: no longer this: "The >>> City may at any time and from time to time add, delete, or change the >>> datasets or these Terms of Use. Notice of changes may be posted on the >>> home page for these datasets or this page. Any change is effective >>> immediately upon posting, unless otherwise stated" >>> >>> I would have to say that I now agree that the City of Toronto data >>> license is indeed an Open Data license. >>> Good on ya, Toronto! :-) >>> >>> Toronto,yo you think you could talk to the Ottawa transit people >>> (OCTranspo) and show them the Toronto real time TTC feed? >>> >>> http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD >>> >>> <http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_item_details?vgnextoid=4427790e6f21d210VgnVCM1000003dd60f89RCRD&vgnextchannel=6e886aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD> >>> >>> -Glen >>> >>> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:56 PM, David Eaves <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> > I don't think anything. This license has been up for some time >>> and is a copy >>> > of the uk and bc ogl. Think it went love in November of 2011. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > www.eaves.ca <http://www.eaves.ca> >>> >>> > @daeaves >>> > Sent from my iPhone >>> > >>> > On 2012-01-30, at 10:50 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote: >>> > >>> > does anyone know what was changed exactly? >>> > >>> > JB >>> > OpenNorth.ca >>> > MontrealOuvert.net >>> > jonathanbrun.com <http://jonathanbrun.com> >>> >>> > >>> > On 2012-01-30, at 1:43 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> >>> http://www1.toronto.ca/wps/portal/open_data/open_data_fact_sheet_details?vgnextoid=59986aa8cc819210VgnVCM10000067d60f89RCRD >>> > >>> > Via Marce Fortin on Carta-L >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Tracey P. Lauriault >>> > 613-234-2805 <tel:613-234-2805> >>> >>> > >>> > "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the >>> > future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". >>> > >>> > Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, >>> > >>> >>> (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> > [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> >>> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> > [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> >>> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> > [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> >>> > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> - >>> http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ >>> - >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> <mailto:[hidden email]> >>> >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > -- > - > http://zzzoot.blogspot.com/ > - > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 "Every epoch dreams the one that follows it's the dream form of the future, not its reality" it is the "wish image of the collective". Walter Benjamin, between 1927-1940, (http://www.columbia.edu/itc/architecture/ockman/pdfs/dossier_4/buck-morss.pdf) |
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Version is good, yes, sorry didn't notice it. Version and date even better.
On 12-01-30 2:36 PM, Glen Newton wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Marcel Fortin > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> I suppose one of the things they could improve right away then would be a >> date and version to the license! > > You mean date? > > "This is version 2.0 of the Open Data Licence for City of Toronto." > >> >> |
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