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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Jonathan;

Your question should be posed to ethno-cultural visible minorities as to whether or not this should be tracked, and based on the list of those opposed to the Cancellation of the Census (http://datalibre.ca/census-watch/) and  the partners of current court challenge on the Equal Right to be Counted (http://socialplanningtoronto.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Save-the-CensusPR.pdf), it seems that groups that represent minority rights want to be counted.

At the moment it is us whities as my Japanese Judo Sensei who was interned in camps in Canada during WWII would say, who are engaged in this debate.  (BTW, the Census was not used to put them in the Camps, just racism and greed combined with easily identifiable physical characteristics did).

I met a woman at the StatCan library who is studying the questions between US, Canada and either Australia or the UK on Race questions and Censuses.  Her U of T dissertation on the subject is being published and currently she is doing her post doc at Harvard.  I will see if she can chime in and give is some insight or point us to some readings.

Cheers

t

[Jonathan Brun-2]

Don't get me wrong - I strongly support reinstating the long-form census. Does the census capture race or religion?

@Dan "We" is indeed a loose term - I mean society as a whole: government, civic, business, citizen etc.

@Karl, yes, that is precisely the point - there are unforeseeable consequences, good and bad, to collecting and disseminating information, hence my hesitation on this issue. 

Great discussion.

JB

On 2011-01-10, at 11:10 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:

Jonathan;

Your question should be posed to ethno-cultural visible minorities as to whether or not this should be tracked, and based on the list of those opposed to the Cancellation of the Census (http://datalibre.ca/census-watch/) and  the partners of current court challenge on the Equal Right to be Counted (http://socialplanningtoronto.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Save-the-CensusPR.pdf), it seems that groups that represent minority rights want to be counted.

At the moment it is us whities as my Japanese Judo Sensei who was interned in camps in Canada during WWII would say, who are engaged in this debate.  (BTW, the Census was not used to put them in the Camps, just racism and greed combined with easily identifiable physical characteristics did).

I met a woman at the StatCan library who is studying the questions between US, Canada and either Australia or the UK on Race questions and Censuses.  Her U of T dissertation on the subject is being published and currently she is doing her post doc at Harvard.  I will see if she can chime in and give is some insight or point us to some readings.

Cheers

t

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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Jonathan, I have emailed you the Census questions a couple of times, here they are again - http://datalibre.ca/2010/07/24/2006-long-form-question-and-2006-2011-short-form-questions/

and yes those questions have been asked since 1871.  These with many others such as language, citizenship, place of birth, status, year of immigration, will not be asked for 2011 as the census has been cancelled.

The link above show you what was asked and what will be asked for 2011.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don't get me wrong - I strongly support reinstating the long-form census. Does the census capture race or religion?

@Dan "We" is indeed a loose term - I mean society as a whole: government, civic, business, citizen etc.

@Karl, yes, that is precisely the point - there are unforeseeable consequences, good and bad, to collecting and disseminating information, hence my hesitation on this issue. 

Great discussion.

JB

On 2011-01-10, at 11:10 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:

Jonathan;

Your question should be posed to ethno-cultural visible minorities as to whether or not this should be tracked, and based on the list of those opposed to the Cancellation of the Census (http://datalibre.ca/census-watch/) and  the partners of current court challenge on the Equal Right to be Counted (http://socialplanningtoronto.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Save-the-CensusPR.pdf), it seems that groups that represent minority rights want to be counted.

At the moment it is us whities as my Japanese Judo Sensei who was interned in camps in Canada during WWII would say, who are engaged in this debate.  (BTW, the Census was not used to put them in the Camps, just racism and greed combined with easily identifiable physical characteristics did).

I met a woman at the StatCan library who is studying the questions between US, Canada and either Australia or the UK on Race questions and Censuses.  Her U of T dissertation on the subject is being published and currently she is doing her post doc at Harvard.  I will see if she can chime in and give is some insight or point us to some readings.

Cheers

t

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[Jonathan Brun-2]

Ok, thanks. So I see we asked some race questions, religion every 10 years and not sexual orientation beyond if you are living with someone. 

Thanks,

Jonathan

On 2011-01-10, at 11:37 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:

Jonathan, I have emailed you the Census questions a couple of times, here they are again - http://datalibre.ca/2010/07/24/2006-long-form-question-and-2006-2011-short-form-questions/

and yes those questions have been asked since 1871.  These with many others such as language, citizenship, place of birth, status, year of immigration, will not be asked for 2011 as the census has been cancelled.

The link above show you what was asked and what will be asked for 2011.

On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Jonathan Brun <[hidden email]> wrote:

Don't get me wrong - I strongly support reinstating the long-form census. Does the census capture race or religion?

@Dan "We" is indeed a loose term - I mean society as a whole: government, civic, business, citizen etc.

@Karl, yes, that is precisely the point - there are unforeseeable consequences, good and bad, to collecting and disseminating information, hence my hesitation on this issue. 

Great discussion.

JB

On 2011-01-10, at 11:10 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:

Jonathan;

Your question should be posed to ethno-cultural visible minorities as to whether or not this should be tracked, and based on the list of those opposed to the Cancellation of the Census (http://datalibre.ca/census-watch/) and  the partners of current court challenge on the Equal Right to be Counted (http://socialplanningtoronto.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Save-the-CensusPR.pdf), it seems that groups that represent minority rights want to be counted.

At the moment it is us whities as my Japanese Judo Sensei who was interned in camps in Canada during WWII would say, who are engaged in this debate.  (BTW, the Census was not used to put them in the Camps, just racism and greed combined with easily identifiable physical characteristics did).

I met a woman at the StatCan library who is studying the questions between US, Canada and either Australia or the UK on Race questions and Censuses.  Her U of T dissertation on the subject is being published and currently she is doing her post doc at Harvard.  I will see if she can chime in and give is some insight or point us to some readings.

Cheers

t

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