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[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Sunlight Foundation's "Influence Explorer Postcards" for election day
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/25/sunlight-foundations.html

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[Jonathan Brun-2]

Hi,

I am scheduled to speak for 30 minutes on the economic benefits of open-data at the TechnoMontreal conference on November 9th in Montreal. Below is what I have so far, feel free to add comments or ideas. Ignore typos please.

L'ouverture des données du gouvernement danois (couts: 14 millions, bénéfices 62 millions (euros))

• Partage des informations entre les municipalités de la Catalogne (couts: 21.5 Millions, bénéfices : 14 millions (euros))

• Les données météorologiques américaine supporte une industrie de plus de 1.5 milliards de dollars.

• Concours d'applications qui utilisent les données ouvertes à Washington D.C. (couts : 50 000$, bénéfices : 2 000 000 (dollars US))

• Site web sur la transparence en Californie (couts : 61 000, bénéfices : 20 000 000 ) et au Texas (bénéfices : 5 000 000). (dollars US)

• L'accès aux informations géospatial en Angleterre et au Pays de Galles a augmenté le PIB de presque 320 millions de livres Sterling en 2008-2009.

- Entreprises qui permet au citoyens américains de comparer les différents programmes de retraites gouvernementales grâce au portail data.gov - revenues 100k - 3 millions et 10 millions. 

Developpement du talent à Montréal. Les grandes entreprises de la Californie prennent de l'avancent et accumule des expériences, du talent et de la technologie. Le plus longtemps qu'on attend le plus difficile ca sera de ratraper. 

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Super awesome!

Here are some ideas.

Reduced overhead costs incurred by government administrations due to:

• reduction in effort in searching and responding to queries
• increased efficiencies due to ease for public officials to locate resources within their institutions for themselves and the public
• reduction in duplication of procurement - without a centralized record institutions often procure and or create the same data twice.  With a centralized catalog/repository the likeliness of this occurring is reduced.
  
• reduction in data access negotiations between officials within an institution and between officials and the public (this is a huge time eater)
  
• reduction in royalty management and copyright policing costs
• reduction in legal fees
• reduction in procurement accounting processes
• increased savings due to record management efficiencies
• gains from citizen created apps and resulting decrease in procurement of products and services delivered by these apps
• gains from improved service delivery from the creation of these apps and reductions of inefficiencies
• gains from more efficient and targeted public policy implementation

The one area of remaining concern is procurement.  At the moment open data folks have not yet addressed how to modify data & service procurement contracts.  For instance, if a city procures survey engineering services, often the data remain with the survey engineer.  The data can be used by the city for intel but these data cannot be re-shared and often not re-used for other municipal purposes.  This is the same for land registries, property assessments, cadastre, and many other datasets.  This is not an economic gain, but an economic loss to citizens.

All I can think of at the moment.  If you are a real keener and do not want to sleep - or alternatively are insomniac - here are some books:

1. Geographic Information - Value, Pricing, Production, and Consumption, Longhorn & Blackmore
2. Developing geographic information infrastructures: The Role of Information Policies, van Loenen
3. The Impact of Information Policy: Measuring the Effects of The Commercialization of Canadian Government Statistics, Nielsen
4. The Dissemination of Spatial Data: A North American-European Comparative Study on the Impact of Government Information Policy, Lopez

The Geo folks have been talking about this quite a bit for quite some time and to the best of my knowledge have conducted the best research on these questions.

Cheers
t

2010/10/27 Jonathan Brun <[hidden email]>

Hi,

I am scheduled to speak for 30 minutes on the economic benefits of open-data at the TechnoMontreal conference on November 9th in Montreal. Below is what I have so far, feel free to add comments or ideas. Ignore typos please.

L'ouverture des données du gouvernement danois (couts: 14 millions, bénéfices 62 millions (euros))

• Partage des informations entre les municipalités de la Catalogne (couts: 21.5 Millions, bénéfices : 14 millions (euros))

• Les données météorologiques américaine supporte une industrie de plus de 1.5 milliards de dollars.

• Concours d'applications qui utilisent les données ouvertes à Washington D.C. (couts : 50 000$, bénéfices : 2 000 000 (dollars US))

• Site web sur la transparence en Californie (couts : 61 000, bénéfices : 20 000 000 ) et au Texas (bénéfices : 5 000 000). (dollars US)

• L'accès aux informations géospatial en Angleterre et au Pays de Galles a augmenté le PIB de presque 320 millions de livres Sterling en 2008-2009.

- Entreprises qui permet au citoyens américains de comparer les différents programmes de retraites gouvernementales grâce au portail data.gov - revenues 100k - 3 millions et 10 millions. 

Developpement du talent à Montréal. Les grandes entreprises de la Californie prennent de l'avancent et accumule des expériences, du talent et de la technologie. Le plus longtemps qu'on attend le plus difficile ca sera de ratraper. 

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[Glen Newton]

I am going to play the (constructive) devil's advocate, base on my
experience of being with the Federal government for most of the time
since 1989:

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Super awesome!
>
> Here are some ideas.
>
> Reduced overhead costs incurred by government administrations due to:
>
> reduction in effort in searching and responding to queries
yes.

> increased efficiencies due to ease for public officials to locate resources
> within their institutions for themselves and the public
yes

> reduction in duplication of procurement - without a centralized record
> institutions often procure and or create the same data twice.  With a
> centralized catalog/repository the likeliness of this occurring is reduced.
You assume that open government data means centralized record keeping:
it does not (unfortunately).
Shuffling data off to some public server is not records management. It
is also not digital archiving (one of my areas of expertise).
The GoC open data efforts explicitly exclude these roles for the
present (and near future).
The records management and digital archiving of data resides the
responsibility of the owning department, and is woefully poor (mostly
non-existent in a proper digital archives view) even given the recent
activities around the Directive on Recordkeeping
(http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?section=text&id=16552). And
remember that this directive - while many are looking to improve it -
is focused primarily on administrative records rather than what you
and I would consider open gov data.

> reduction in data access negotiations between officials within an
> institution and between officials and the public (this is a huge time eater)
yes

> reduction in royalty management and copyright policing costs
yes

> reduction in legal fees
mostly yes

> reduction in procurement accounting processes
Please explain.

> increased savings due to record management efficiencies
See above.

> gains from citizen created apps and resulting decrease in procurement of
> products and services delivered by these apps
Probably

> gains from improved service delivery from the creation of these apps and
> reductions of inefficiencies
yes.

> gains from more efficient and targeted public policy implementation
yes


-glen

[Tracey P. Lauriault]

Hey Glen!

explain:

reduction in procurement accounting processes

• when one area of government goes open data the other does not need to pay cost recovery fees thus reducing accounting procurement overhead accounting costs

Centralized record keeping

• NRCan is centralizing its data resources
• The open data cities are starting to do this
• you are correct that I am assuming a centralized repository & record keeping - few have it, but when they do savings do occur albeait there is a cost to setting up a centralized system.  I speculate the cost of not doing so is incredibly expensive for the reasons stated.

Cheers
t

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:

I am going to play the (constructive) devil's advocate, base on my
experience of being with the Federal government for most of the time
since 1989:

On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault
<[hidden email]> wrote:
> Super awesome!
>
> Here are some ideas.
>
> Reduced overhead costs incurred by government administrations due to:
>
> reduction in effort in searching and responding to queries

yes.

> increased efficiencies due to ease for public officials to locate resources
> within their institutions for themselves and the public

yes

> reduction in duplication of procurement - without a centralized record
> institutions often procure and or create the same data twice.  With a
> centralized catalog/repository the likeliness of this occurring is reduced.

You assume that open government data means centralized record keeping:
it does not (unfortunately).
Shuffling data off to some public server is not records management. It
is also not digital archiving (one of my areas of expertise).
The GoC open data efforts explicitly exclude these roles for the
present (and near future).
The records management and digital archiving of data resides the
responsibility of the owning department, and is woefully poor (mostly
non-existent in a proper digital archives view) even given the recent
activities around the Directive on Recordkeeping
(http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pol/doc-eng.aspx?section=text&id=16552). And
remember that this directive - while many are looking to improve it -
is focused primarily on administrative records rather than what you
and I would consider open gov data.

> reduction in data access negotiations between officials within an
> institution and between officials and the public (this is a huge time eater)

yes

> reduction in royalty management and copyright policing costs

yes

> reduction in legal fees
mostly yes

> reduction in procurement accounting processes

Please explain.

> increased savings due to record management efficiencies

See above.

> gains from citizen created apps and resulting decrease in procurement of
> products and services delivered by these apps

Probably

> gains from improved service delivery from the creation of these apps and
> reductions of inefficiencies

yes.

> gains from more efficient and targeted public policy implementation

yes


-glen

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