Inequalities arising from the ability to access the Internet
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Inequalities arising from the ability to access the Internet
 
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This probably isn't quite the forum for this as it is about making data available in a standard format to many.
The BBC has an article on the problems of the US poor not having Internet access to apply for jobs. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18499804 and one of the comments raised was with a maximum of an hour a day free library internet access many people can only submit two to three applications per day. With a paper CV you can just run off another copy at drop it off but at the moment applying for jobs on line you need to renter the same information each time. Could someone come up with a "open standard format" I should think XML would be a good base. It would need companies etc. possibly starting with government and Universities to accept them and it would need some type of editor so one could enter the data once and also refine it by editing it to give a customised CV. Ideally the solution would also have tools for employers posting on craiglist. There are privacy issues here as well. If it could be done then it might help even the playing field. Cheerio John |
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There are various commercial companies offering standardized CVs, that integrate with various classifieds, job boards, universities, etc. There just doesn't seem to be enough incentive for them all to agree on what/whose standard to use.
On 2012-06-19, at 3:19 PM, john whelan wrote: This probably isn't quite the forum for this as it is about making data available in a standard format to many. |
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If you have no money ad are searching for a job then a solution based on a commercial company's offering may not be ideal.
I think it needs some sort of open standard for the interchange part but thanks for the thought. Cheerio John On 19 June 2012 15:38, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Le sigh... The business models of many of these commercial resume builders don't work like that. They don't get their revenue from the resume-writers (maybe some from premium accounts). They get it from institutions wanting to integrate their service, headhunters and others wanting to buy their data, etc. Anyway, the actual substance of my point was: the problem is not that we don't have an open standard. The problem is that the various actors have very little incentive to adopt such a standard, and they have significant incentives to keep their walled gardens. This is a common problem to standardization efforts. On 2012-06-19, at 4:20 PM, john whelan wrote: If you have no money ad are searching for a job then a solution based on a commercial company's offering may not be ideal. |
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Right you are James. I sometimes lump this in with the concept of the
"tragedy of the anticommons" where competing interests obstruct the best social outcome. I have thought this is factor working against open data and perhaps it can be argued true with regard to our current postal code issues. ... gerry tychon On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote: > Le sigh... The business models of many of these commercial resume builders > don't work like that. They don't get their revenue from the resume-writers > (maybe some from premium accounts). They get it from institutions wanting to > integrate their service, headhunters and others wanting to buy their data, > etc. > > Anyway, the actual substance of my point was: the problem is not that we > don't have an open standard. The problem is that the various actors have > very little incentive to adopt such a standard, and they have significant > incentives to keep their walled gardens. This is a common problem to > standardization efforts. > > On 2012-06-19, at 4:20 PM, john whelan wrote: > > If you have no money ad are searching for a job then a solution based on a > commercial company's offering may not be ideal. > > I think it needs some sort of open standard for the interchange part but > thanks for the thought. > > Cheerio John > > > On 19 June 2012 15:38, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> There are various commercial companies offering standardized CVs, that >> integrate with various classifieds, job boards, universities, etc. There >> just doesn't seem to be enough incentive for them all to agree on what/whose >> standard to use. >> >> On 2012-06-19, at 3:19 PM, john whelan wrote: >> >> This probably isn't quite the forum for this as it is about making data >> available in a standard format to many. >> >> The BBC has an article on the problems of the US poor not having Internet >> access to apply for jobs. >> >> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18499804 >> >> and one of the comments raised was with a maximum of an hour a day free >> library internet access many people can only submit two to three >> applications per day. >> >> With a paper CV you can just run off another copy at drop it off but at >> the moment applying for jobs on line you need to renter the same information >> each time. >> >> Could someone come up with a "open standard format" I should think XML >> would be a good base. It would need companies etc. possibly starting with >> government and Universities to accept them and it would need some type of >> editor so one could enter the data once and also refine it by editing it to >> give a customised CV. >> >> Ideally the solution would also have tools for employers posting on >> craiglist. There are privacy issues here as well. >> >> If it could be done then it might help even the playing field. >> >> Cheerio John >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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I love the idea of a culture of interoperability.
On 6/19/12, Gerry Tychon <[hidden email]> wrote: > Right you are James. I sometimes lump this in with the concept of the > "tragedy of the anticommons" where competing interests obstruct the > best social outcome. I have thought this is factor working against > open data and perhaps it can be argued true with regard to our current > postal code issues. > > ... gerry tychon > > > On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 3:32 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Le sigh... The business models of many of these commercial resume >> builders >> don't work like that. They don't get their revenue from the >> resume-writers >> (maybe some from premium accounts). They get it from institutions wanting >> to >> integrate their service, headhunters and others wanting to buy their >> data, >> etc. >> >> Anyway, the actual substance of my point was: the problem is not that we >> don't have an open standard. The problem is that the various actors have >> very little incentive to adopt such a standard, and they have significant >> incentives to keep their walled gardens. This is a common problem to >> standardization efforts. >> >> On 2012-06-19, at 4:20 PM, john whelan wrote: >> >> If you have no money ad are searching for a job then a solution based on >> a >> commercial company's offering may not be ideal. >> >> I think it needs some sort of open standard for the interchange part but >> thanks for the thought. >> >> Cheerio John >> >> >> On 19 June 2012 15:38, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> There are various commercial companies offering standardized CVs, that >>> integrate with various classifieds, job boards, universities, etc. There >>> just doesn't seem to be enough incentive for them all to agree on >>> what/whose >>> standard to use. >>> >>> On 2012-06-19, at 3:19 PM, john whelan wrote: >>> >>> This probably isn't quite the forum for this as it is about making data >>> available in a standard format to many. >>> >>> The BBC has an article on the problems of the US poor not having >>> Internet >>> access to apply for jobs. >>> >>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18499804 >>> >>> and one of the comments raised was with a maximum of an hour a day free >>> library internet access many people can only submit two to three >>> applications per day. >>> >>> With a paper CV you can just run off another copy at drop it off but at >>> the moment applying for jobs on line you need to renter the same >>> information >>> each time. >>> >>> Could someone come up with a "open standard format" I should think XML >>> would be a good base. It would need companies etc. possibly starting >>> with >>> government and Universities to accept them and it would need some type >>> of >>> editor so one could enter the data once and also refine it by editing it >>> to >>> give a customised CV. >>> >>> Ideally the solution would also have tools for employers posting on >>> craiglist. There are privacy issues here as well. >>> >>> If it could be done then it might help even the playing field. >>> >>> Cheerio John >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 |
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