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Re: Huff Post - Tim Berners-Lee Says WikiLeaks Is Not Open Government Data

Glen Newton
While he may be right (it's more a matter of definitions; in this case
I'm not seeing any Open license from the copyright holder on this
information), I don't think it is necessarily relevant to the
Wikileaks debate.

And I think he reveals himself when he says this:
"The whistleblower idea is very important to democracy, for the
overturning of repressive regimes."

Sorry: the whistleblower idea is very important to democracy. Period.

",,,it's just very, very important for society as a whole to be able
to remove somebody's anonymity."
I think few journalists would disagree with this statement.

-Glen




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Re: Huff Post - Tim Berners-Lee Says WikiLeaks Is Not Open Government Data

Glen Newton
Barack Obama on whistleblowers (in 2008):
  http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/epfku/we_only_know_these_crimes_took_place_because/
"We only know these crimes took place because insiders blew the
whistle at great personal risk.... Government whistle-blowers are part
of a healthy democracy and must be protected from reprisal."

-Glen

On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Glen Newton <[hidden email]> wrote:

> While he may be right (it's more a matter of definitions; in this case
> I'm not seeing any Open license from the copyright holder on this
> information), I don't think it is necessarily relevant to the
> Wikileaks debate.
>
> And I think he reveals himself when he says this:
> "The whistleblower idea is very important to democracy, for the
> overturning of repressive regimes."
>
> Sorry: the whistleblower idea is very important to democracy. Period.
>
> ",,,it's just very, very important for society as a whole to be able
> to remove somebody's anonymity."
> I think few journalists would disagree with this statement.
>
> -Glen
>
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> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault
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Karl Dubost
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Le 22 déc. 2010 à 02:25, Glen Newton a écrit :
> ",,,it's just very, very important for society as a whole to be able
> to remove somebody's anonymity."
> I think few journalists would disagree with this statement.

knowing Tim, I'm not sure he would actually say that.
You put the quote out of its context and Tim has a tendency to blur the context because he jumps from one sentence to the other.

Look at the video again.

He said that there are two equally important things.

* Protecting anonymity of information resources (whistleblowers)
* To protect people against anonymous attacks (defamation)
  "That's an important principle *too*."

In our social environment, both are coming into play. Finding the right balance depending on the circumstances is important. You left out the most important.

    Obviously these principles are in conflict. And we, as a
    society, have to work out rules which allow us to have norms
    on both sides of the line, which allow both principles to
    survive, and where they are in total conflict, have a way of
    resolving in each case. That's my feeling I've been asked
    that question a few times.


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Russell McOrmond-3
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The fun thing about oppressive regimes is that we can subjectively decide which is which.  I find the whole conversation hypocritical - eastern vs western justifications for censorship.

I guess I still respect eastern justifications more as they are more out in the open and honest about it.

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On Dec 22, 2010 2:25 AM, "Glen Newton" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> While he may be right (it's more a matter of definitions; in this case
> I'm not seeing any Open license from the copyright holder on this
> information), I don't think it is necessarily relevant to the
> Wikileaks debate.
>
> And I think he reveals himself when he says this:
> "The whistleblower idea is very important to democracy, for the
> overturning of repressive regimes."
>
> Sorry: the whistleblower idea is very important to democracy. Period.
>
> ",,,it's just very, very important for society as a whole to be able
> to remove somebody's anonymity."
> I think few journalists would disagree with this statement.
>
> -Glen
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 12:51 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alexander-howard/tim-bernerslee-on-wikilea_b_798671.html
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