Huff Post - Open Data for Real People
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Interesting article, however the focus remains on applications and not really the people, just that the people have to make the data more app friendly!
hmm! How about the data actually be what the people want and that capacity be developed to use it more in public policy contexts.
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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Interesting article, however the focus remains on applications and not > really the people, just that the people have to make the data more app > friendly! > hmm! How about the data actually be what the people want and that capacity > be developed to use it more in public policy contexts. > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patti-prairie/open-data-apps_b_1097723.html I'm not quite clear on the meaning of your second sentence, Tracey. Could you rearticulate? Michael Lenczner CEO, Ajah http://www.ajah.ca 514-400-4500 1-888-406-2524 (AJAH) http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaellenczner |
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That we need to learn to be numerate and learn how to deliberate with evidence and have journalism actually report using data and producing visualizations. Many groups for instance know that data can better inform their practices but they just do not know how to go about using data in an effective way.
I work with many non-profit groups struggling to stay afloat, who are trying to learn how to use data and to make community maps. They often have small budgets which means they staff turnover is high and many comminty based workers are not versed in basic data visualization etc. When there is a group such as a social planning council in a community, that burden is alleviated, however, they suffer the same HR issues, and as soon as a GIS person is trained they leave for higher paying job. To make matters worse, funding for community based research is very hard to come by as they are not in the pool of university grant funds for research and organizations like United Way's, well, lets say for Ottawa anyway, are pretty conservative and not evidence based either.
Bref, when I say build capacity, I mean learn how to use data. Karl's message a few days ago touched on that.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]> wrote:
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Thanks for re-stating. I thought you were saying that "the people"
wanted data to be used in public policy contexts. More evidence based policy would be great, but it would be a mistake to say that there is a huge or vocal demand by people for data to enable that. The article does correctly (AFAIK) represent an existing demand by a user community (developers) for better access to both data and the personnel creating the data. On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: > That we need to learn to be numerate and learn how to deliberate with > evidence and have journalism actually report using data and producing > visualizations. Many groups for instance know that data can better inform > their practices but they just do not know how to go about using data in an > effective way. > > I work with many non-profit groups struggling to stay afloat, who are trying > to learn how to use data and to make community maps. They often have small > budgets which means they staff turnover is high and many comminty based > workers are not versed in basic data visualization etc. When there is a > group such as a social planning council in a community, that burden is > alleviated, however, they suffer the same HR issues, and as soon as a GIS > person is trained they leave for higher paying job. To make matters worse, > funding for community based research is very hard to come by as they are not > in the pool of university grant funds for research and organizations like > United Way's, well, lets say for Ottawa anyway, are pretty conservative and > not evidence based either. > > Bref, when I say build capacity, I mean learn how to use data. Karl's > message a few days ago touched on that. > > > > On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:12 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> >> wrote: >> > Interesting article, however the focus remains on applications and not >> > really the people, just that the people have to make the data more app >> > friendly! >> > hmm! How about the data actually be what the people want and that >> > capacity >> > be developed to use it more in public policy contexts. >> > >> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/patti-prairie/open-data-apps_b_1097723.html >> >> I'm not quite clear on the meaning of your second sentence, Tracey. >> Could you rearticulate? >> >> >> Michael Lenczner >> CEO, Ajah >> http://www.ajah.ca >> 514-400-4500 >> 1-888-406-2524 (AJAH) >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaellenczner >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > |
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But public policy led by only app developers is like transportation policy led by car manufacturers, although, I prefer spending time with app developers, i think you know what i mean.
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]> wrote: Thanks for re-stating. I thought you were saying that "the people" |
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