How will we use data?
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ilona Dougherty
<[hidden email]> wrote: > Hey all, > > Just a note to say that if anyone can give me a sense of how Apathy is > Boring might be able to use these election results tools in our work, I > would be really happy to promote that this info is available. > > Let me know what you think might be relevant to our audience. > > Ilona Russell has some great answers. Once you find out what ridings could have been changed by students voting, how you use that information is really up to you and your imagination. Does it help target campaigns? Do you make it part of a campaign message? Can you use it to bolster your case when fundraising? Can it help you identify allies that want to reach those constituencies? Looking at data another way, you could try measuring the impact of your campaigns. Does campaign spend correlate to increase turnout? So the issue here is that without knowing your organization very well, it's difficult to suggest what to do with liberated data, or how to use its insights. As more data gets liberated and we get better at imagining uses for it, we might stumble upon the 'killer app'. Geeks have a pretty poor track record predicting what their toys will be used for. Maybe it's myth that the first proposed use for a personal computer was a recipe collection. In any case, the killer app turned out to be the spreadsheet, and decades later we still don't have a decent way to collect recipes. It would be great to identify uses for data that would compel people to join our campaign - the same way businesses bought computers so they could use spreadsheets. I know some people on this list have good, deep knowledge of how groups could use data. Can you share use cases to prime our imaginations? Identifying uses might be easiest face to face, either in a charrette or brainstorming format. That doesn't really answer Ilona's question, but hopefully it starts a good conversation thread :) d. |
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Daniel Haran a écrit :
> Geeks have a pretty poor track record predicting what their toys will > be used for. Maybe it's myth that the first proposed use for a > personal computer was a recipe collection. In any case, the killer app > turned out to be the spreadsheet, and decades later we still don't > have a decent way to collect recipes. Hey, wait, there IS a decent recipe database ;-) See: http://github.com/elecnix/smellyfish Fortunately for Russell, it is in PHP! |
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In reply to this post by Daniel Haran
Daniel raises some good points, I have been wondering if telling
students that "students don't vote" becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. If there are examples where student voting made, or could make, a difference, that would be more transformative. EG I spotted at UBC chalked signs: stop Harper vote Liberal. The Liberal candidate won a tough race in this riding (Vancouver Quadra). Endorsement by voteenvironment.ca and signing the copyright pledge may have helped too. The voter turnout was so low this time it should be easy to show how students working together could have their own candidate elected. Any opinion expressed in this email is that of the author alone, and does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic Network or Simon Fraser University Library. Heather Morrison [hidden email] Sent from my mobile device On 16-Oct-08, at 7:33 AM, "Daniel Haran" <[hidden email]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ilona Dougherty > <[hidden email]> wrote: >> Hey all, >> >> Just a note to say that if anyone can give me a sense of how Apathy >> is >> Boring might be able to use these election results tools in our >> work, I >> would be really happy to promote that this info is available. >> >> Let me know what you think might be relevant to our audience. >> >> Ilona > > Russell has some great answers. Once you find out what ridings could > have been changed by students voting, how you use that information is > really up to you and your imagination. > > Does it help target campaigns? > Do you make it part of a campaign message? > Can you use it to bolster your case when fundraising? > Can it help you identify allies that want to reach those > constituencies? > > Looking at data another way, you could try measuring the impact of > your campaigns. Does campaign spend correlate to increase turnout? > > So the issue here is that without knowing your organization very well, > it's difficult to suggest what to do with liberated data, or how to > use its insights. As more data gets liberated and we get better at > imagining uses for it, we might stumble upon the 'killer app'. > > Geeks have a pretty poor track record predicting what their toys will > be used for. Maybe it's myth that the first proposed use for a > personal computer was a recipe collection. In any case, the killer app > turned out to be the spreadsheet, and decades later we still don't > have a decent way to collect recipes. > > It would be great to identify uses for data that would compel people > to join our campaign - the same way businesses bought computers so > they could use spreadsheets. > > I know some people on this list have good, deep knowledge of how > groups could use data. Can you share use cases to prime our > imaginations? > > Identifying uses might be easiest face to face, either in a charrette > or brainstorming format. > > That doesn't really answer Ilona's question, but hopefully it starts a > good conversation thread :) > > d. > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Daniel Haran wrote: > That doesn't really answer Ilona's question, but hopefully it starts a > good conversation thread :) Building upon Robin's script I scraped a bit more information from the parliament of Canada website. Turns out that you can check the ProfileMP page using the key provided by the link to candidates as a quick way to determine who the rookie MPs are. http://www.digital-copyright.ca/election2008/candidates?rookie Once the MP information pages are updated to list email addresses and websites again (they blank things out after an election), I'm going to pull that in for all the MPs. I never did pull in a full candidate email list this year. I believe there is benefit in sending a welcome message to all the rookie MPs, possibly including a quick recent history on the area of policy you are most interested in (Obviously Copyright for me). That information will of course be available to the existing letter writing tools we have, and the hope is that we can convince other people in the 66 ridings with rookie MPs to send welcome letters as well. -- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Please help us tell the Canadian Parliament to protect our property rights as owners of Information Technology. Sign the petition! http://www.digital-copyright.ca/petition/ict/ "The government, lobbied by legacy copyright holders and hardware manufacturers, can pry my camcorder, computer, home theatre, or portable media player from my cold dead hands!" |
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Le Thu, 16 Oct 2008 12:06:08 -0400,
Russell McOrmond <[hidden email]> a écrit : > Building upon Robin's script I scraped a bit more information from > the parliament of Canada website. Turns out that you can check the > ProfileMP page using the key provided by the link to candidates as a > quick way to determine who the rookie MPs are. I already have links from EDID to the parliament pages, if you look at http://cancan.waglo.com/dataface/district/24047 (Outremont) you'll find a link to Mulcair: http://webinfo.parl.gc.ca/MembersOfParliament/ProfileMP.aspx?Key=113956&Language=F I've had this up for a couple of weeks already. DB and code are all available. The trick to get this was to search the parliament website for EDID and pull the response from there. -- Robin |
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In reply to this post by Heather Morrison
Re: Student involvement... I agree completely. I think the potential is there, but remains untapped or unfocused. I thought more than once in the last few weeks, doing I Believe in Open: 'If only I had some people on campuses hanging posters!'.
Now that things have calmed down a bit, I'm putting more effort into developing campus outreach programs for VisibleGovernment.ca. Jennifer --- On Thu, 10/16/08, Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> wrote: > From: Heather Morrison <[hidden email]> > Subject: Re: [CivicAccess-discuss] How will we use data? > To: "civicaccess discuss" <[hidden email]> > Received: Thursday, October 16, 2008, 11:16 AM > Daniel raises some good points, I have been wondering if > telling > students that "students don't vote" becomes a > self-fulfilling prophecy. > > If there are examples where student voting made, or could > make, a > difference, that would be more transformative. > > EG I spotted at UBC chalked signs: stop Harper vote > Liberal. The > Liberal candidate won a tough race in this riding > (Vancouver Quadra). > Endorsement by voteenvironment.ca and signing the copyright > pledge may > have helped too. > > The voter turnout was so low this time it should be easy to > show how > students working together could have their own candidate > elected. > > Any opinion expressed in this email is that of the author > alone, and > does not represent the opinion or policy of BC Electronic > Network or > Simon Fraser University Library. > > Heather Morrison > [hidden email] > Sent from my mobile device > > On 16-Oct-08, at 7:33 AM, "Daniel Haran" > <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 4:07 PM, Ilona Dougherty > > <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> Hey all, > >> > >> Just a note to say that if anyone can give me a > sense of how Apathy > >> is > >> Boring might be able to use these election results > tools in our > >> work, I > >> would be really happy to promote that this info is > available. > >> > >> Let me know what you think might be relevant to > our audience. > >> > >> Ilona > > > > Russell has some great answers. Once you find out what > ridings could > > have been changed by students voting, how you use that > information is > > really up to you and your imagination. > > > > Does it help target campaigns? > > Do you make it part of a campaign message? > > Can you use it to bolster your case when fundraising? > > Can it help you identify allies that want to reach > those > > constituencies? > > > > Looking at data another way, you could try measuring > the impact of > > your campaigns. Does campaign spend correlate to > increase turnout? > > > > So the issue here is that without knowing your > organization very well, > > it's difficult to suggest what to do with > liberated data, or how to > > use its insights. As more data gets liberated and we > get better at > > imagining uses for it, we might stumble upon the > 'killer app'. > > > > Geeks have a pretty poor track record predicting what > their toys will > > be used for. Maybe it's myth that the first > proposed use for a > > personal computer was a recipe collection. In any > case, the killer app > > turned out to be the spreadsheet, and decades later we > still don't > > have a decent way to collect recipes. > > > > It would be great to identify uses for data that would > compel people > > to join our campaign - the same way businesses bought > computers so > > they could use spreadsheets. > > > > I know some people on this list have good, deep > knowledge of how > > groups could use data. Can you share use cases to > prime our > > imaginations? > > > > Identifying uses might be easiest face to face, either > in a charrette > > or brainstorming format. > > > > That doesn't really answer Ilona's question, > but hopefully it starts a > > good conversation thread :) > > > > d. > > _______________________________________________ > > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > > [hidden email] > > > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss __________________________________________________________________ Instant Messaging, free SMS, sharing photos and more... Try the new Yahoo! Canada Messenger at http://ca.beta.messenger.yahoo.com/ |
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There is an article in the Globe today about Youth voter turnout in the US:
Obama ace: digital divide and conquer
DON TAPSCOTT Adjunct professor at the Rotman School of Management, University of Toronto October 14, 2008 at 8:57 AM EDT If the U.S. presidential race goes down to the wire, the winner may be decided by a new group of voters - Americans under 30 who have grown up in a digital world and are flexing political muscles for the first time. These are the baby boomers' children - the Net Generation, as I call them. In the last election, just less than half of Americans under 30 voted. They made up 17 per cent of the total vote. But there's strong evidence that far more Net Geners will turn out this time and that most of their votes will go to Barack Obama. The Net Geners may well be his ace in the hole. Youth turnout has risen steadily since the 2000 presidential election, but this year it has soared. In many state primaries, turnout of young people doubled or even tripled compared with 2004. Young people, who overwhelmingly oppose the Iraq war and President George W. Bush's policies, have done more than just vote. They've jumped into politics, their style of politics. They've used Facebook to share information at a phenomenal pace, raise money, and set up rallies - mostly for Mr. Obama. They've used YouTube, in its infancy during the 2004 campaign, to reach millions of potential voters through music. Their Twitters (networking through microblogging) have transformed the old-style news cycle. They're pumped about this election, and they may decide its outcome. That may come as a surprise to some pollsters, but consider what happened at the start of the primary season. In Iowa in January, Mr. Obama lost decisively to both Hillary Clinton and John Edwards in the 30-plus vote. But he won over young people by a 5-to-1 edge - enough to propel him to victory.... read the rest online! On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Jennifer Bell <[hidden email]> wrote: Re: Student involvement... I agree completely. I think the potential is there, but remains untapped or unfocused. I thought more than once in the last few weeks, doing I Believe in Open: 'If only I had some people on campuses hanging posters!'. -- Tracey P. Lauriault 613-234-2805 https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault |
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