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Let us know if you have any issues? It is looking good. You will note that wherever possible the source of the data not the tbs portal are indicated and the licenses of the data source are provided if not fully open. I have qualified with notes on issues pertaining to jurisdiction, transparency and so on. For some questions the better answer is NOT APPLICABLE or NOT IN ALL CASES, the only option provided is yes No Unsure, so in those cases i responded unsure and qualified the response in the notes. The Country editors are:
Right now we are ranked 15 out of 39 countries providing that at the momet census questions were answered accurately by all jurisdictions at this point and time. The deadline is the 7th. t _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Tracey, election results are available from data.gc.ca under an open license. data.gc.ca is a government source, which by the census' definition is all it takes to be considered official. The answer should be "yes" to the question "are election results openly licensed?"
In what way is the Corporations Canada data not up-to-date? Re: government spending transactions, defined as: > Records of actual (past) national government spending at a detailed transactional level, that is at the level of month to month government expenditure on specific items (as an example, we would anticipate seeing many individual records of spending amounts under $1m or even under $100k). (Note: just a database of contracts awarded or similar is *not* sufficient. This requires detailed ongoing data on *actual* expenditure) I don't think the federal government publishes data that matches this description. The dataset you linked to does not fit the description. The only financial datasets I can find are much too high-level to fit the description. The closest match is a pilot, sample dataset that has since been discontinued, and therefore not a candidate for the census: http://data.gc.ca/data/en/dataset/2eed2fba-1626-4d2e-a511-389cc6b51ddf The government can get points for "exists" and "digital" based on very modest assumptions about government accounting, but the other answers would be "No". Re: government budget, defined as: > National government budget at a high level (e.g. spending by sector, department etc). This questions is about *budgets* which are government *plans* for expenditure (not actual expenditure in the past). The dataset in the Canadian context would be at least its Main Estimates (and Supplementary Estimates) all of which are on data.gc.ca. The most recent main estimates are http://data.gc.ca/data/en/dataset/a42a7598-13c3-4226-be1d-499278a5b4a4 I've submitted a proposed revision where the answers are "Yes" to all. Re: emissions of pollutants: > Aggregate data about the emission of air pollutants especially those potentially harmful to human health (we do *not* require information on green house gas emissions). Aggregate means national-level or more detailed and on an annual basis or better. Standard examples of relevant pollutants would be: carbon monoxides, nitrogen oxides, particulate matter etc. A dataset that better matches the description is the National Pollutant Release Inventory (NPRI) http://data.gc.ca/data/en/dataset/3826cfa8-088f-451e-ba2c-a5785e2b25c2 Its release schedule seems to lag, e.g. there was a call-out for corrections to 2012 data due last month: http://www.ec.gc.ca/inrp-npri/default.asp?lang=En&n=A38A8F09-1 I would answer "Yes" to all except the up-to-date question. I've submitted a proposed revision for legislation. I received clarification re: the "is it online?" question, such that the postcodes dataset would be considered online (the product page specifically says it's available via FTP to customers). James On 2013-10-05, at 8:29 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > Let us know if you have any issues? > > It is looking good. You will note that wherever possible the source of the data not the tbs portal are indicated and the licenses of the data source are provided if not fully open. I have qualified with notes on issues pertaining to jurisdiction, transparency and so on. For some questions the better answer is NOT APPLICABLE or NOT IN ALL CASES, the only option provided is yes No Unsure, so in those cases i responded unsure and qualified the response in the notes. > > The Country editors are: > • Diane Mercier > • James McKinney > • Patricia Pestri > • Tracey P. Lauriault > Right now we are ranked 15 out of 39 countries providing that at the momet census questions were answered accurately by all jurisdictions at this point and time. > > The deadline is the 7th. > > Cheers > t > > -- > Tracey P. Lauriault > http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/ > https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault > http://datalibre.ca/ > > Providing > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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For clarification, the deadline for the *second-round entry and review phase* is the 7th. The timeline is for the census to be announced at the end of October to coincide with the OGP Summit. I don't know when revisions are actually closed.
On 2013-10-05, at 8:29 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: > Let us know if you have any issues? > > It is looking good. You will note that wherever possible the source of the data not the tbs portal are indicated and the licenses of the data source are provided if not fully open. I have qualified with notes on issues pertaining to jurisdiction, transparency and so on. For some questions the better answer is NOT APPLICABLE or NOT IN ALL CASES, the only option provided is yes No Unsure, so in those cases i responded unsure and qualified the response in the notes. > > The Country editors are: > • Diane Mercier > • James McKinney > • Patricia Pestri > • Tracey P. Lauriault > Right now we are ranked 15 out of 39 countries providing that at the momet census questions were answered accurately by all jurisdictions at this point and time. > > The deadline is the 7th. > > Cheers > t > > -- > Tracey P. Lauriault > http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/ > https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault > http://datalibre.ca/ > > Providing > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Hey James, see inline
On Sunday, October 6, 2013, James McKinney wrote: Tracey, election results are available from data.gc.ca under an open license. data.gc.ca is a government source, which by the census' definition is all it takes to be considered official. The answer should be "yes" to the question "are election results openly licensed?" I think it is always better to point to the source of the data not the aggregated spot. looks like conflicting licences then. A question to send to the tbs. There are 2 licences.
Kay, lets point to elections Canada, and mention in the notes that these are also available at data.gc.ca and make reference to conflicting licences, and go for yes.
I did not put in that description. Would be great to know who did as maybe they know something we don't. This is the provenance issue I was referring to in an earlier thread.
Sure
Do you where the actual source page for these data are? I see in the metadata that it is tbs but unsure where these are located otherwise. Re: emissions of pollutants: I had the npri from environment Canada in there, someone had pointed to a different set, did it change? I again prefer the ec site as there are more metadata, reporting and institutional context rather than data.gc.ca site. This however means conflicting licences again. I would like to point to ec, mention conflicting licence, include the data.gc.ca in the notes, And do as you suggest with yes to all except.
I am not sure who originally filed that one out, Jonathan is our guy though on that yes?
I received clarification re: the "is it online?" question, such that the postcodes dataset would be considered online (the product page specifically says it's available via FTP to customers). Perfect on the pc
Cheers! Just running out to do a few things and will get to your mods in a proper computah. are you ok with my recommendations? T
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It looks like you agree with my proposed changes to the Yes/No/Unsure questions. If I'm misreading, please let me know where we disagree. Any any rate, all the pending revisions are currently mine, so if you come across something you disagree with during your review, let me know - privately or on the list is up to you. In what way is the Corporations Canada data not up-to-date? It doesn't look like you answered this question. If you answered it previously, I would appreciate it if you simply copy-pasted your answer. The last email we exchanged re: company register didn't answer this question. I've submitted a proposed revision for legislation. Which Jonathan? At any rate, whoever filled it in previously did not get it right and/or did not leave any explanation. I don't know the Excel link for the TBS budget dataset besides the data.gc.ca link. I can only find HTML and PDF on the TBS site for recent years. If you don't like the data.gc.ca link, you can maybe look for an alternative. James On 2013-10-06, at 12:15 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: Hey James, see inline _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Cheers! Will do.
Brun, that Jonathan. On Sunday, October 6, 2013, James McKinney wrote:
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James; Please take one last peak. The only difference based on the thread we just exchanged is that I responded unsure to npri and to elections as there are conflicting licences and I sent a question to the data.gc.ca site to seek clarification and added that to the notes.We are now 17th with an overall score of 455. t On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote: Cheers! Will do. -- _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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I don't believe it is a conflict. data.gc.ca is the government's open data clearinghouse. Departments/agencies send it data to publish under an open license. This removes the need for each department/agency to go through the extra effort of re-organizing their websites to have an open data page, and the extra effort of changing their individual terms and conditions to take open data into account. Both elections results and emissions of pollutants should answer "yes" for "openly licensed".
Seeing as gov spending is not online, there should be no URL. I've made that change. Three more issues: - I still don't know why the company register answers "No" to "up-to-date". - Shouldn't emission of pollutants answer "Yes" to "available in bulk"? Is the following URL not bulk data? http://data.gc.ca/data/en/dataset/3826cfa8-088f-451e-ba2c-a5785e2b25c2 - My submission had prepended the following text to the current comment, but it seems to not have made it through the review: "The National Pollutant Release Inventory (NPRI) is not released in a timely fashion. The preliminary, unreviewed 2012 data cannot be downloaded in bulk. The reviewed data of prior years can be downloaded in bulk. Environment Canada's website's terms of use prohibit commercial reproduction. However, data.gc.ca publishes many of the same datasets under an open license." James _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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See inline
On Monday, October 7, 2013, James McKinney wrote:
Gobs should change theirmwebsites, ok to yes
Go it, take it out, I do not know where it came from
I kept what you had
I kept what you had I wonder if someone else is going in and changing
yes to bulk as a result of the text above.
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James,
Ok to all, except the npri, one part is bulk another is not so I added unsure. All, should be good now. check again though as the stuff seems to be changing.
Christian, will you be locking down responses soon to only editors? That way we can finalize and be sure we are done. Also, we did not get much from Diane nor Patricia. Not sure if they remain as editors. So far, James and I have done the bulk of the work. Diane and Patricia, are you to still be considered as editors?
cheers T On Monday, October 7, 2013, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: See inline -- _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Dear Tracey,
[French to English : You can Use Google Translate as I translate from English to French] Tel que je te l'ai expliqué personnellement, hier soir (-4:00Z), ainsi qu'à Christian Villum et Patricia, je suis dans l'impossibilité de participer personnellement au présent tour de révision du recensement pour des raisons évidentes de disponibilité notamment en raison de ma Mission à Quito et de l'implantation et de l'intégration du catalogue CKAN au Portail des données ouvertes de la Ville de Montréal. Comme Ambassadrice du groupe local au Canada de l'OKFN, je demeure éditrice de l'opération Open Data Census ;-) Je te remercie, toi et les autres militants, pour les efforts et l'enthousiasme durant ce présent épisode. J'informe aussi les militants que je serai au Speed Dating Open Data à Ottawa le 9 octobre avec une vingtaine d'autres chefs de projet en données ouvertes gouvernementales (municipales, provinciales et fédérales) pour discuter avec les "enthousiastes". J'ai soumis à l'ordre du jour de nos discussions l'Open Data Census de l'Open Knowledge Foundation Network. URL : http://www.gtec.ca/sessions_lists/rencontres-eclairs-a-donnees-ouvertes/?lang=fr Je ferai le suivi de ces discussions dans la liste de l'OKFN-CA. Librement, -- Dre Diane Mercier Ph.D. Sciences de l'information Ambassadrice de l'Open Knowledge Foundation Network - Groupe local au Canada @okfn-ca | http://ca.okfn.org Discussion : http://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-ca Chargée de projet principale des données ouvertes de la Ville de Montréal @MTL_DO | http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca [hidden email] Consultante en transfert des connaissances @carnetsDM | http://dianemercier.com [hidden email] LindedIn : dianemercier | JiTsi - Jabber/XMPP: [hidden email] Zotero : dmercier « Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts » Le 2013-10-07 04:13, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit : James, _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Thanks, Tracey, the website is having issues saving changes to comments, which is why my addition to the pollutants comment isn't getting saved. (The issue is now tracked here https://github.com/okfn/opendatacensus/issues/194 )
Otherwise, I am pleased with the results. Thanks for your efforts and attention to detail! James On 2013-10-07, at 4:13 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: James, _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Thanks to you to James! it is sooo much better to work with people.
On Monday, October 7, 2013, James McKinney wrote:
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