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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Montreal Ouvert <[hidden email]> Date: 2011/10/28 Subject: Portail des données ouvertes de la Ville de Montréal! To: [hidden email]
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Re: Fwd: Portail des données ouvertes de la Ville de Montréal!
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Yep. All done. We're all going to go home now. :-)
Jonathan, Jean-Noé and Sebastien and I want to thank everyone on the CivicAccess list for their support. Karl, Michael Mulley, Stephane Guidon, Tracey, David, Glenn and others all helped in different ways. The developer community in Montreal was key. Special thanks to James and Stephane for their rockstar work giving concrete examples of what could be done with municipal data.
It's important to note that we are not sure if we have an open-data policy. We have a portal. We haven't seen the notes yet from the executive council (the 11 person semi-secretive, non-open body comprised of only the elected party that makes a lot of the main decisions in Montreal) so we're not sure. However, we're going to keep pushing for an actual open data policy if we don't have one.
Two things about this that I find interesting about what's gone on up till now. The first is the city is the city is creating a "table de concertation" where members of the "milieu" (kinda like stakeholders, but more focused towards civil society) will meet on an ongoing basis to help guide the city's open data work. I think this is an innovation, at least in Canada. Can one of you let us know if that's not the case?
Here's the link: http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/demarche/concertation They encourage people to contact them to be considered for the group.
Secondly, and in contrast to that willingness to reach out, it was interesting yesterday watching at the press release how the city wanted to ignore the role that citizens had in bringing this about. Open data probably would have happened in Montreal at some point in the future without citizen involvement, but there was nothing going on in Aug 2010 when we *finally* decided to start MO. That was already 2 years after Vancouver created their policy and after every other major (and some less major) Canadian city has embraced open data. Over the last year we had two public events where 60-70 citizens came both times, developers created some very high profile apps for which we got a lot of press, and we reached out to economic development agencies, municipal working groups, city officials in their communications and technology departments. We spoke at 30+ events and submitted oral or briefs in three public consultations. And we met with several city officials, educating all of them about open data, including the now president of the executive council who brought this motion forward this week.
There was no mention of any of that at the press conference, except for a brief acknowledgement by the director from Techno-Montreal, an economic developement agency who was the fourth and last speaker. And certainly no mention of it in the press release.
Anyways, probably just regular politics where giving credit to anyone else confuses the message. Kind of a shame though. Overall, this has been a great example of the city working with it's citizens. And we've been extremely happy with the speed with which the city has moved and the decisions that it has taken.
Oh- last thing. They went with a "Share-alike" license. :-( We've already communicated with them about this and let them know that we think that it's a problem. CIPPIC has also been in communciation with them about it as well. They have clearly indicated that they are open to making changes in the next 6 months, including to the license if it proves to be a problem. It's probably up to the working group and the table de concertation to make a clear case for an alternate license (or the same license with the SA removed).
Cheers, Mike (on behalf of the other MO-ers) Michael Lenczner CEO, Ajah http://www.ajah.ca <a href="tel:514-400-4500" value="+15144004500" target="_blank">514-400-4500 <a href="tel:1-888-406-2524" value="+18884062524" target="_blank">1-888-406-2524 (AJAH) http://www.linkedin.com/in/michaellenczner 2011/10/28 Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]>
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Re: Fwd: Portail des données ouvertes de la Ville de Montréal!
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Epic!
The City of London Ontario may have partially beaten you to the punch on the committee: The Open Data London initiative will be monitored by a City of London internal working group. For more, read the Terms of Reference of the Working Group. Theirs is however an internal working group without citizen representation. Otherwise, to the best of my knowledge yours may be the first which formally includes citizens and staff. Congrats to you all again, and hopefully MO will have a large representation at the stakeholder committee/table. t 2011/10/28 Michael Lenczner <[hidden email]> Yep. All done. We're all going to go home now. :-) |
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