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---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Diane Mercier <[hidden email]> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 Subject: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens To: OKFN-ca <[hidden email]> Cc: OKFN-francophone <[hidden email]> Montréal est la première ville au Québec ayant utilisé les données ouvertes et dans la perspective de faire de la métropole une ville toujours plus intelligente et apprenante, le maire de Montréal, M. Denis Coderre, est fier d’annoncer que la Ville de Montréal souhaite adopter la licence ouverte CC BY 4 internationale de Creative Commons. La métropole, ainsi que les villes de Québec, Gatineau et Sherbrooke et le gouvernement du Québec qui emboîtent aussi le pas, unifieront leur licence de données ouvertes avec l’objectif de faciliter le partage des données selon des normes communes. Cette demande conjointe de normalisation de la part de quatre grandes villes et du gouvernement du Québec est une première au Canada et s’inscrit dans une tendance mondiale d’harmonisation des processus en matière de libération de données des administrations publiques. Il s’agit d’un tour de force qui stimulera les échanges entre la Ville et les Montréalais et les administrations publiques entre elles. http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/un-avantage-pour-les-citoyens-montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-cc-4-une-premiere-au-canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-ouvertes/ --- Médiation par | Curation by --- Dre Diane Mercier @okfnca | ca.okfn.org @_FACiL | facil.qc.ca @MTL_DO | donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca @carnetsDM | dianemercier.com http://about.me/dianemercier http://vizualize.me/oKvvtBkJXK?r=oKvvtBkJXK Webographie du libre : https://www.zotero.org/dmercier/items/order/dateModified/sort/desc « Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts » _______________________________________________ okfn-francophone mailing list <a href="javascript:;" onclick="_e(event, 'cvml', 'okfn-francophone@lists.okfn.org')">okfn-francophone@... https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-francophone -- _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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The important point, from our point of
view, is that all the bodies who publish open data in Quebec
(province and 4 cities) have adopted the same generic license!
Really good move.
Stéphane Le 2014-02-20 08:45, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit :
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Canada's Open Government Licence [1] has been adapted by a number of cities and provinces - with the only difference being the name of the jurisdiction and the governing law clause. Cities include Guelph, Grande Prairie County No. 1, Nanaimo, Strathcona, Toronto (just looking at the licenses we use in Represent [2]).
1. http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada 2. https://github.com/opennorth/represent-canada-data#readme With respect to the Quebec initiative, there is something comparable in Ontario: "Public Sector Open Data (PSOD) The Federal Government, Province of Ontario and City of Guelph are working with other Open Data municipalities in a group called PSOD to develop common processes and formats. The objectives of the PSOD are to develop standardization which allows for equal and easy access to public data." Sources: http://openguelph.wpengine.com/open-data-guelph/ http://torontoist.com/2013/05/public-works-opening-up-our-data/ James On 2014-02-20, at 6:03 AM, Stéphane Guidoin wrote: > The important point, from our point of view, is that all the bodies who publish open data in Quebec (province and 4 cities) have adopted the same generic license! Really good move. > > Stéphane > > Le 2014-02-20 08:45, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit : >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Diane Mercier <[hidden email]> >> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 >> Subject: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens >> To: OKFN-ca <[hidden email]> >> Cc: OKFN-francophone <[hidden email]> >> >> >> Montréal est la première ville au Québec ayant utilisé les données >> ouvertes et dans la perspective de faire de la métropole une ville >> toujours plus intelligente et apprenante, le maire de Montréal, M. >> Denis Coderre, est fier d’annoncer que la Ville de Montréal souhaite >> adopter la licence ouverte CC BY 4 internationale de Creative >> Commons. >> >> La métropole, ainsi que les villes de Québec, Gatineau et Sherbrooke >> et le gouvernement du Québec qui emboîtent aussi le pas, unifieront >> leur licence de données ouvertes avec l’objectif de faciliter le >> partage des données selon des normes communes. Cette demande >> conjointe de normalisation de la part de quatre grandes villes et du >> gouvernement du Québec est une première au Canada et s’inscrit dans >> une tendance mondiale d’harmonisation des processus en matière de >> libération de données des administrations publiques. Il s’agit d’un >> tour de force qui stimulera les échanges entre la Ville et les >> Montréalais et les administrations publiques entre elles. >> >> http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/un-avantage-pour-les-citoyens-montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-cc-4-une-premiere-au-canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-ouvertes/ >> >> >> --- Médiation par | Curation by --- >> Dre Diane Mercier >> >> @okfnca | ca.okfn.org >> @_FACiL | facil.qc.ca >> @MTL_DO | donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca >> @carnetsDM | dianemercier.com >> http://about.me/dianemercier >> http://vizualize.me/oKvvtBkJXK?r=oKvvtBkJXK >> >> Webographie du libre : >> https://www.zotero.org/dmercier/items/order/dateModified/sort/desc >> >> « Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts » >> >> _______________________________________________ >> okfn-francophone mailing list >> [hidden email] >> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-francophone >> >> >> >> -- >> Tracey P. Lauriault >> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/ >> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >> http://datalibre.ca/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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Others may now better but I have felt that having a license that varies
by a single word makes it, legally, a different license. So, if your were integrating data from different sources (all using their version of the Canadian Open Government License) you would have to reference each license individually. On 20/02/2014 10:43 AM, James McKinney wrote: > Canada's Open Government Licence [1] has been adapted by a number of cities and provinces - with the only difference being the name of the jurisdiction and the governing law clause. Cities include Guelph, Grande Prairie County No. 1, Nanaimo, Strathcona, Toronto (just looking at the licenses we use in Represent [2]). > > 1. http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada > 2. https://github.com/opennorth/represent-canada-data#readme > > With respect to the Quebec initiative, there is something comparable in Ontario: > > "Public Sector Open Data (PSOD) > The Federal Government, Province of Ontario and City of Guelph are working with other Open Data municipalities in a group called PSOD to develop common processes and formats. The objectives of the PSOD are to develop standardization which allows for equal and easy access to public data." > > Sources: > http://openguelph.wpengine.com/open-data-guelph/ > http://torontoist.com/2013/05/public-works-opening-up-our-data/ > > James > > On 2014-02-20, at 6:03 AM, Stéphane Guidoin wrote: > >> The important point, from our point of view, is that all the bodies who publish open data in Quebec (province and 4 cities) have adopted the same generic license! Really good move. >> >> Stéphane >> >> Le 2014-02-20 08:45, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit : >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Diane Mercier <[hidden email]> >>> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 >>> Subject: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens >>> To: OKFN-ca <[hidden email]> >>> Cc: OKFN-francophone <[hidden email]> >>> >>> >>> Montréal est la première ville au Québec ayant utilisé les données >>> ouvertes et dans la perspective de faire de la métropole une ville >>> toujours plus intelligente et apprenante, le maire de Montréal, M. >>> Denis Coderre, est fier d’annoncer que la Ville de Montréal souhaite >>> adopter la licence ouverte CC BY 4 internationale de Creative >>> Commons. >>> >>> La métropole, ainsi que les villes de Québec, Gatineau et Sherbrooke >>> et le gouvernement du Québec qui emboîtent aussi le pas, unifieront >>> leur licence de données ouvertes avec l’objectif de faciliter le >>> partage des données selon des normes communes. Cette demande >>> conjointe de normalisation de la part de quatre grandes villes et du >>> gouvernement du Québec est une première au Canada et s’inscrit dans >>> une tendance mondiale d’harmonisation des processus en matière de >>> libération de données des administrations publiques. Il s’agit d’un >>> tour de force qui stimulera les échanges entre la Ville et les >>> Montréalais et les administrations publiques entre elles. >>> >>> http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/un-avantage-pour-les-citoyens-montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-cc-4-une-premiere-au-canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-ouvertes/ >>> >>> >>> --- Médiation par | Curation by --- >>> Dre Diane Mercier >>> >>> @okfnca | ca.okfn.org >>> @_FACiL | facil.qc.ca >>> @MTL_DO | donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca >>> @carnetsDM | dianemercier.com >>> http://about.me/dianemercier >>> http://vizualize.me/oKvvtBkJXK?r=oKvvtBkJXK >>> >>> Webographie du libre : >>> https://www.zotero.org/dmercier/items/order/dateModified/sort/desc >>> >>> « Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts » >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> okfn-francophone mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-francophone >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/ >>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >>> http://datalibre.ca/ >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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This is really great news!
It is great to see all these governments adopting an open license at once!
This means that people who use data from these cities and the province of Quebec can mix and match freely without having to learn the ins and outs of each jurisdiction's licensing. Plus, they can easily mix and match that data with other jurisdictions similarly using conformant open data licenses (like the Canadian Federal Government for example!). (http://opendefinition.org/licenses/)
I would love to see this happen in other provinces.
Herb On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Gerry Tychon <[hidden email]> wrote: Others may now better but I have felt that having a license that varies by a single word makes it, legally, a different license. So, if your were integrating data from different sources (all using their version of the Canadian Open Government License) you would have to reference each license individually. Herb Lainchbury, Dynamic Solutions <a href="tel:250.704.6154" value="+12507046154" target="_blank">250.704.6154
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Yes, they are different licenses.
I just spoke to Kent Mewhort, who explained that there are other differences between the licenses. For example, BC [1] has an additional exemption which makes it a more problematic license: "This license does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (B.C.);". Ontario [2] has a similar exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (Ontario);" Alberta [3] has its own vague exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records that are not accessible under applicable laws;". The licenses, on the surface, look the same, but those one-line differences actually make the licenses quite complex, given that you need to know a fair amount about the referenced/imported legislation. 1. http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf 2. http://www.ontario.ca/government/open-government-licence-ontario 3. http://data.alberta.ca/licence On 2014-02-20, at 10:12 AM, Gerry Tychon wrote: > Others may now better but I have felt that having a license that varies by a single word makes it, legally, a different license. So, if your were integrating data from different sources (all using their version of the Canadian Open Government License) you would have to reference each license individually. > > > On 20/02/2014 10:43 AM, James McKinney wrote: >> Canada's Open Government Licence [1] has been adapted by a number of cities and provinces - with the only difference being the name of the jurisdiction and the governing law clause. Cities include Guelph, Grande Prairie County No. 1, Nanaimo, Strathcona, Toronto (just looking at the licenses we use in Represent [2]). >> >> 1. http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada >> 2. https://github.com/opennorth/represent-canada-data#readme >> >> With respect to the Quebec initiative, there is something comparable in Ontario: >> >> "Public Sector Open Data (PSOD) >> The Federal Government, Province of Ontario and City of Guelph are working with other Open Data municipalities in a group called PSOD to develop common processes and formats. The objectives of the PSOD are to develop standardization which allows for equal and easy access to public data." >> >> Sources: >> http://openguelph.wpengine.com/open-data-guelph/ >> http://torontoist.com/2013/05/public-works-opening-up-our-data/ >> >> James >> >> On 2014-02-20, at 6:03 AM, Stéphane Guidoin wrote: >> >>> The important point, from our point of view, is that all the bodies who publish open data in Quebec (province and 4 cities) have adopted the same generic license! Really good move. >>> >>> Stéphane >>> >>> Le 2014-02-20 08:45, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit : >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Diane Mercier <[hidden email]> >>>> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 >>>> Subject: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens >>>> To: OKFN-ca <[hidden email]> >>>> Cc: OKFN-francophone <[hidden email]> >>>> >>>> >>>> Montréal est la première ville au Québec ayant utilisé les données >>>> ouvertes et dans la perspective de faire de la métropole une ville >>>> toujours plus intelligente et apprenante, le maire de Montréal, M. >>>> Denis Coderre, est fier d’annoncer que la Ville de Montréal souhaite >>>> adopter la licence ouverte CC BY 4 internationale de Creative >>>> Commons. >>>> >>>> La métropole, ainsi que les villes de Québec, Gatineau et Sherbrooke >>>> et le gouvernement du Québec qui emboîtent aussi le pas, unifieront >>>> leur licence de données ouvertes avec l’objectif de faciliter le >>>> partage des données selon des normes communes. Cette demande >>>> conjointe de normalisation de la part de quatre grandes villes et du >>>> gouvernement du Québec est une première au Canada et s’inscrit dans >>>> une tendance mondiale d’harmonisation des processus en matière de >>>> libération de données des administrations publiques. Il s’agit d’un >>>> tour de force qui stimulera les échanges entre la Ville et les >>>> Montréalais et les administrations publiques entre elles. >>>> >>>> http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/un-avantage-pour-les-citoyens-montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-cc-4-une-premiere-au-canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-ouvertes/ >>>> >>>> >>>> --- Médiation par | Curation by --- >>>> Dre Diane Mercier >>>> >>>> @okfnca | ca.okfn.org >>>> @_FACiL | facil.qc.ca >>>> @MTL_DO | donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca >>>> @carnetsDM | dianemercier.com >>>> http://about.me/dianemercier >>>> http://vizualize.me/oKvvtBkJXK?r=oKvvtBkJXK >>>> >>>> Webographie du libre : >>>> https://www.zotero.org/dmercier/items/order/dateModified/sort/desc >>>> >>>> « Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts » >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> okfn-francophone mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-francophone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/ >>>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >>>> http://datalibre.ca/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>> >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >> > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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So my understanding is that the BC license is different - but all the others are the same. That is certainly the intention that they all be identical accept the title which references the jurisdiction. (again except BC which is frustrating).
Of course, now that there is a group of governments aligned around the license, you can send them feedback about how they could make them identical. I think they are interested in hearing this. On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:05 PM, James McKinney <[hidden email]> wrote: > Yes, they are different licenses. > > I just spoke to Kent Mewhort, who explained that there are other differences between the licenses. For example, BC [1] has an additional exemption which makes it a more problematic license: "This license does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (B.C.);". Ontario [2] has a similar exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records not accessible under the Freedom of Information and Protection of Privacy Act (Ontario);" Alberta [3] has its own vague exemption: "This licence does not grant you any right to use: (b) Information or Records that are not accessible under applicable laws;". > > The licenses, on the surface, look the same, but those one-line differences actually make the licenses quite complex, given that you need to know a fair amount about the referenced/imported legislation. > > 1. http://www.data.gov.bc.ca/local/dbc/docs/license/OGL-vbc2.0.pdf > 2. http://www.ontario.ca/government/open-government-licence-ontario > 3. http://data.alberta.ca/licence > > > On 2014-02-20, at 10:12 AM, Gerry Tychon wrote: > >> Others may now better but I have felt that having a license that varies by a single word makes it, legally, a different license. So, if your were integrating data from different sources (all using their version of the Canadian Open Government License) you would have to reference each license individually. >> >> >> On 20/02/2014 10:43 AM, James McKinney wrote: >>> Canada's Open Government Licence [1] has been adapted by a number of cities and provinces - with the only difference being the name of the jurisdiction and the governing law clause. Cities include Guelph, Grande Prairie County No. 1, Nanaimo, Strathcona, Toronto (just looking at the licenses we use in Represent [2]). >>> >>> 1. http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada >>> 2. https://github.com/opennorth/represent-canada-data#readme >>> >>> With respect to the Quebec initiative, there is something comparable in Ontario: >>> >>> "Public Sector Open Data (PSOD) >>> The Federal Government, Province of Ontario and City of Guelph are working with other Open Data municipalities in a group called PSOD to develop common processes and formats. The objectives of the PSOD are to develop standardization which allows for equal and easy access to public data." >>> >>> Sources: >>> http://openguelph.wpengine.com/open-data-guelph/ >>> http://torontoist.com/2013/05/public-works-opening-up-our-data/ >>> >>> James >>> >>> On 2014-02-20, at 6:03 AM, Stéphane Guidoin wrote: >>> >>>> The important point, from our point of view, is that all the bodies who publish open data in Quebec (province and 4 cities) have adopted the same generic license! Really good move. >>>> >>>> Stéphane >>>> >>>> Le 2014-02-20 08:45, Tracey P. Lauriault a écrit : >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Diane Mercier <[hidden email]> >>>>> Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 >>>>> Subject: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens >>>>> To: OKFN-ca <[hidden email]> >>>>> Cc: OKFN-francophone <[hidden email]> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Montréal est la première ville au Québec ayant utilisé les données >>>>> ouvertes et dans la perspective de faire de la métropole une ville >>>>> toujours plus intelligente et apprenante, le maire de Montréal, M. >>>>> Denis Coderre, est fier d’annoncer que la Ville de Montréal souhaite >>>>> adopter la licence ouverte CC BY 4 internationale de Creative >>>>> Commons. >>>>> >>>>> La métropole, ainsi que les villes de Québec, Gatineau et Sherbrooke >>>>> et le gouvernement du Québec qui emboîtent aussi le pas, unifieront >>>>> leur licence de données ouvertes avec l’objectif de faciliter le >>>>> partage des données selon des normes communes. Cette demande >>>>> conjointe de normalisation de la part de quatre grandes villes et du >>>>> gouvernement du Québec est une première au Canada et s’inscrit dans >>>>> une tendance mondiale d’harmonisation des processus en matière de >>>>> libération de données des administrations publiques. Il s’agit d’un >>>>> tour de force qui stimulera les échanges entre la Ville et les >>>>> Montréalais et les administrations publiques entre elles. >>>>> >>>>> http://donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca/un-avantage-pour-les-citoyens-montreal-disposera-de-la-licence-ouverte-cc-4-une-premiere-au-canada-en-matieres-de-donnees-ouvertes/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --- Médiation par | Curation by --- >>>>> Dre Diane Mercier >>>>> >>>>> @okfnca | ca.okfn.org >>>>> @_FACiL | facil.qc.ca >>>>> @MTL_DO | donnees.ville.montreal.qc.ca >>>>> @carnetsDM | dianemercier.com >>>>> http://about.me/dianemercier >>>>> http://vizualize.me/oKvvtBkJXK?r=oKvvtBkJXK >>>>> >>>>> Webographie du libre : >>>>> https://www.zotero.org/dmercier/items/order/dateModified/sort/desc >>>>> >>>>> « Pas de données ouvertes, sans logiciel libre ni formats ouverts » >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> okfn-francophone mailing list >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> https://lists.okfn.org/mailman/listinfo/okfn-francophone >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Tracey P. Lauriault >>>>> http://traceyplauriault.wordpress.com/2013/07/23/moving-to-ireland/ >>>>> https://gcrc.carleton.ca/confluence/display/GCRCWEB/Lauriault >>>>> http://datalibre.ca/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>>> >>>>> [hidden email] >>>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>>> [hidden email] >>>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> _______________________________________________ >>> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> CivicAccess-discuss mailing list >> [hidden email] >> http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss > > _______________________________________________ > CivicAccess-discuss mailing list > [hidden email] > http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
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This is a message from Teresa Scassa ***************************************************** From: Teresa Scassa Sent: February-21-14 8:18 AM To: civicaccess discuss; [hidden email] Subject: RE: [CivicAccess-discuss] Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens I'm not sure that it is necessary to know much more about the referenced legislation in these government licences, so I don't agree that these clauses make the licences particularly more complex from a user's point of view. These clauses are boilerplate CYA clauses for government - (there's one in the UK open licence as well). Governments are not allowed to provide, as open data, any of the information that is excluded from disclosure under (in this case) provincial access to information and protection of privacy legislation. So this type of information should simply not be in the open data set in the first place. The clauses are there in an attempt to limit governments' own liability should, by some internal error, they provide a data set containing data they were not legally allowed to make public. Each province will have a slightly different clause because each province has its own legislation, which may have a different title. But the principle is the same in each case. Even if a user knew these laws inside out they would probably have no way of knowing whether the data in the data set was a third party's confidential business information, to use one example. The laws are there to govern what government's disclose. Knowledge of the law is thus more or less unnecessary, and in my view, these clauses don't have much of an impact on users and shouldn't create any incompatibilities between licences. The only scenario where there might be a problem is if a citizen complained that a particular data set violated their privacy rights (or a company complained that a particular set contained its confidential business information) and an adjudicator or court ruled that this was indeed the case. At that point, the data set might have to be withdrawn and a user of the data set would not be licenced to use the problematic data. Teresa On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 10:25 PM, David Eaves <[hidden email]> wrote: So my understanding is that the BC license is different - but all the others are the same. That is certainly the intention that they all be identical accept the title which references the jurisdiction. (again except BC which is frustrating). -- _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
Re: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens
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There's a lot of long discussions on the Open Knowledge Foundation's Open Definition list about why the BC exemption clause is not boilerplate or simple but potentially significant and complex. In short, the FIPPA clause puts the burden on the user to determine whether the government should have made this dataset open. The user needs to understand all the exemptions in the applicable laws and determine if those exemptions apply to the dataset - just to figure out if the license actually covers the dataset that it purportedly covers. The Canadian license, notably, does *not* have that particular clause. http://data.gc.ca/eng/open-government-licence-canada On 2014-02-21, at 5:32 AM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote:
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Re: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens
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From Teresa,
(We,re trying to figure ou the list problem)
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Re: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens
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I have to disagree. I think it could
be a slippery slope to waive these clauses off as boilerplates
that are never likely to apply because the goverment is vetting
the information anyways. In this case, the licensor is saying
"trust me", while shifting all the legal risk, business risk and
uncertainties for a failure of this trust onto the user.
An Teresa mentioned, FIPPA "laws are there to govern what government's disclose". The must-not-release clauses in FIPPA create obligations on governments to withhold certain classes of information. However, when brought into a license, the legal implications change dramatically. Rather than being obligations on the government, they change into obligations on the USER to vet and not use these classes of information -- at risk of being in violation of crown copyright. The scope of these exemption clauses are also actually very different between different licenses. While the clauses are relatively narrow in the UK OGL 2.0, the Ontario and BC OGLs pull in pages and pages of exemptions from FIPPA legislation. The potential exclusions carry well past the scenario of a particular datasets violating an individuals privacy rights. I won't rehash the discussion of these issues on the OD list, but a couple of entry points to these threads can be found here and here. All said, a big congratulations to Montreal and Quebec for moving away from these uncertainties! Kent On 14-02-21 03:40 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault wrote: From Teresa, _______________________________________________ CivicAccess-discuss mailing list [hidden email] http://lists.pwd.ca/mailman/listinfo/civicaccess-discuss |
Re: Montréal disposera de la licence ouverte CC BY 4. Une pr emière au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoye première au Canada en matières de données ouvertes. Un avantage pour les citoyens
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See teresa's posting below.
On Sunday, February 23, 2014, Teresa Scassa <[hidden email]>
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