Cory Doctorow: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM (The Guardian)

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Cory Doctorow: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM (The Guardian)

Glen Newton
"Adding DRM to the HTML standard will have far-reaching effects,
incompatible with the W3C's most important policies"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2013/mar/12/tim-berners-lee-drm-cory-doctorow

As the former NRC W3C rep for 2000-2010, all I can say is: WTF?

Discussion on W3C public html list:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Mar/0015.html

January Discussion on above on "CfC: to publish Encrypted Media
Extensions specification as a First Public Working Draft (FPWD)":
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0102.html
First reply (negative):
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0103.html
Some FUD refuted:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-admin/2013Jan/0116.html
 Total of 110 messages in this thread, in January

W3C blog: http://www.w3.org/QA/2013/03/drm_and_the_open_web.html

W3C Restricted Media Community Group Community:
http://www.w3.org/community/restrictedmedia/

reddit discussion:
http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1aa6xb/adding_drm_to_the_html_standard_will_have/

-Glen

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Re: Cory Doctorow: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM (The Guardian)

Karl Dubost

Le 14 mars 2013 à 17:54, Glen Newton a écrit :
> As the former NRC W3C rep for 2000-2010, all I can say is: WTF?

As a former W3C staff, all I can say is: The story is not yet written. :)

It is a complicated and nasty issue.

* DRM already exist, usually done through Flash. It's not something new.
* The Hulu, Netflix, Google, any public/private broadcaster have a solution and will implement one anyway.
* The question is will it be done inside W3C (Royalty Free Patent Policy) or outside of W3C (patent mine field).

If all the browsers decide to hook DRM into HTML, they will do it outside or inside W3C. The question is really not decided by the W3C staff nor Tim Berners-Lee. The W3C is a platform, a consortium for stakeholders to discuss about things.


Now… I dislike DRMs, but I dislike more copyright policies (which are the real source of the issue). Though I'm pretty sure most of the entertainment industry, and publishing industry would not love my stance on the topic. :)



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Re: Cory Doctorow: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM (The Guardian)

Russell McOrmond

On 13-03-14 11:06 PM, Karl Dubost wrote:
> * The question is will it be done inside W3C (Royalty Free Patent
> Policy) or outside of W3C (patent mine field).

  I suspect you realize that this bullet is nonsensical.

  DRM requires restrictions on software implementations that far exceed
patent mine fields, so also having patent encumbrances in addition is a
non-issue.   There really is no benefit here to W3C, with royalty
bearing or royalty-free being entirely irrelevant.

> Now… I dislike DRMs, but I dislike more copyright policies (which are
> the real source of the issue). Though I'm pretty sure most of the
> entertainment industry, and publishing industry would not love my
> stance on the topic. :)

  Please read Cory's article -- DRM isn't a copyright issue -- copyright
is just the "boogy man" policy hook being abused to allow non-owner
control over computing.    Copy-control doesn't exist -- what you have
is computer control, and most of the consequences of non-owner
computer-control have nothing at all to do with copyright.

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Re: Cory Doctorow: What I wish Tim Berners-Lee understood about DRM (The Guardian)

Karl Dubost

Le 15 mars 2013 à 11:27, Russell McOrmond a écrit :
>  DRM requires restrictions on software implementations that far exceed patent mine fields,

Tell me more :)

> There really is no benefit here to W3C, with royalty
> bearing or royalty-free being entirely irrelevant.

*This* is nonsense. W3C has nothing to benefit from it. It doesn't make sense. The W3C is the list of its members
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Member/List

These members are deciding what they want to push or not for work through their participation.
http://www.w3.org/Consortium/membership

If a majority of W3C Members (and a loud voice of the public, which I hope will happen) say "we should not work on open DRM mechanism", then the work will not happen at W3C. Will it stop the interested members to hook it inside HTML and their products? No, they will do it. The only way it would not happen is not technical ground, but on legal ones. Let's not put her head in the sand. Please.


>  Please read Cory's article

I had already read it. I maintain what I'm saying.

> -- DRM isn't a copyright issue --

I didn't say it was. Please read my email ;)

> copyright is just the "boogy man" policy hook being abused to allow non-owner control over computing.

partly agreed.

> Copy-control doesn't exist -- what you have is computer control,

Agreed.


> and most of the consequences of non-owner computer-control have nothing at all to do with copyright.

agreed.

And? your point?


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