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Jury Konga

Hi fellow Open Data Enthusiasts,

 

Wanted to let you know about a new initiative called the Canadian Open Data Institute (CODI) that I’m a part of. The following website provides the early thinking about CODI’s focus areas: http://opendatainstitute.ca/

 

As people that are currently contributing to the community, we’d really appreciate your feedback on this survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85JS5FD ) and you can provide additional feedback on the main CODI blog and/or the two list servs we referenced.  Please provide feedback by September 30th.  Thanks for your participation and we’ll be back to you shortly with results.

 

Jury Konga, Co-founder

 


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Hi Jury,
A researcher named Steve Reitano completed a Canadian Open Data survey, and has posted
his results and the raw data here -- http://beautifuldata.ca/opendata/
Before asking the community to take another survey, could you explain how your approach
differs from the earlier survey, and/or give some commentary on Mr. Reitano's work.
It might turn out that
Regards,
Ted



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jury Konga <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi fellow Open Data Enthusiasts,

 

Wanted to let you know about a new initiative called the Canadian Open Data Institute (CODI) that I’m a part of. The following website provides the early thinking about CODI’s focus areas: http://opendatainstitute.ca/

 

As people that are currently contributing to the community, we’d really appreciate your feedback on this survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85JS5FD ) and you can provide additional feedback on the main CODI blog and/or the two list servs we referenced.  Please provide feedback by September 30th.  Thanks for your participation and we’ll be back to you shortly with results.

 

Jury Konga, Co-founder

 


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Hey Ted,

In fairness, Steve did not necessarily disseminate his results widely, for instance many of us spent hours with him, read drafts, gave feedback and reviewed his survey before he released it, and we were not included on the dissemination of his final paper nor were groups, lists and blogs referenced in the final.  It is interesting how academic papers do not reference these resources but use them widely and liberally to shape ideas. This was the same in the case of recent master's thesis.

It is important that academics give back to the community whom they studied.  That is also part of the spirit of open data.  

I did not see Jury's survey, and hope it it is useful and hopefully there will be acknowledgements and references and that the data will be shared back.

cheers
T



On Thursday, September 19, 2013, Ted Strauss wrote:
Hi Jury,
A researcher named Steve Reitano completed a Canadian Open Data survey, and has posted
his results and the raw data here -- http://beautifuldata.ca/opendata/
Before asking the community to take another survey, could you explain how your approach
differs from the earlier survey, and/or give some commentary on Mr. Reitano's work.
It might turn out that
Regards,
Ted



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jury Konga <<a href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;jkonga@sympatico.ca&#39;);" target="_blank">jkonga@...> wrote:

Hi fellow Open Data Enthusiasts,

 

Wanted to let you know about a new initiative called the Canadian Open Data Institute (CODI) that I’m a part of. The following website provides the early thinking about CODI’s focus areas: http://opendatainstitute.ca/

 

As people that are currently contributing to the community, we’d really appreciate your feedback on this survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85JS5FD ) and you can provide additional feedback on the main CODI blog and/or the two list servs we referenced.  Please provide feedback by September 30th.  Thanks for your participation and we’ll be back to you shortly with results.

 

Jury Konga, Co-founder

 


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Tracey - I don't see how this responds to Ted's question. It's fine to criticize Steven's recognition of or engagement with the community behind the practices he was researching, but that does not invalidate Ted's desire to know how this survey builds on, rather than duplicates existing work. Ted put in a lot of work into Canada's open data community and I think his desire to ensure that that community doesn't waste its time is great.

On the topic of the original email, Jury - thanks for sending us some more information about the group. I know that a several of us have been curious.

I would like to have a better idea about your organization. As an very involved member of one of the municipal groups as well as a provincial education and lobbying group I would like to know more about how you propose to achieve your goals of 1) lobbying and 2) educating. I'm not sure what the proposed open data hub (goal 3) would look like, but I'm interested in knowing more. And regarding the 4th goal (the community hub), I appreciate that you want to support the existing spaces of discussion (i.e. this list) instead of creating another space.

And mostly, I would like to know if and how you are planning on working with the existing community and specifically the groups who have been doing this work at local and provincial levels for 3+ years.

In terms of your previous involvement in this domain, I know that you have helped out multiple cities and you have have the respect of those groups, but beyond that I don't know much - such as about your preferred approach to dealing with all of the different stakeholders, nor do I know anything about your co-founders' experience in this space.

Before I, personally, support a national group which apparently has a mandate that is not only federal, and before I would encourage my local municipal or provincial lobbying groups to engage with that group, I would want to hear more.

I know that you are not yet asking for my or our support, and I imagine that you are conducting this survey to plan your activities, however, your group does now exist and I would like to be able to have an informed opinion about it.

Thanks,

Mike



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hey Ted,

In fairness, Steve did not necessarily disseminate his results widely, for instance many of us spent hours with him, read drafts, gave feedback and reviewed his survey before he released it, and we were not included on the dissemination of his final paper nor were groups, lists and blogs referenced in the final.  It is interesting how academic papers do not reference these resources but use them widely and liberally to shape ideas. This was the same in the case of recent master's thesis.

It is important that academics give back to the community whom they studied.  That is also part of the spirit of open data.  

I did not see Jury's survey, and hope it it is useful and hopefully there will be acknowledgements and references and that the data will be shared back.

cheers
T




On Thursday, September 19, 2013, Ted Strauss wrote:
Hi Jury,
A researcher named Steve Reitano completed a Canadian Open Data survey, and has posted
his results and the raw data here -- http://beautifuldata.ca/opendata/
Before asking the community to take another survey, could you explain how your approach
differs from the earlier survey, and/or give some commentary on Mr. Reitano's work.
It might turn out that
Regards,
Ted



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jury Konga <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi fellow Open Data Enthusiasts,

 

Wanted to let you know about a new initiative called the Canadian Open Data Institute (CODI) that I’m a part of. The following website provides the early thinking about CODI’s focus areas: http://opendatainstitute.ca/

 

As people that are currently contributing to the community, we’d really appreciate your feedback on this survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85JS5FD ) and you can provide additional feedback on the main CODI blog and/or the two list servs we referenced.  Please provide feedback by September 30th.  Thanks for your participation and we’ll be back to you shortly with results.

 

Jury Konga, Co-founder

 


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Tracey P. Lauriault
Sorry for my grumpy mess all!

On Thursday, September 19, 2013, Michael Lenczner wrote:
Tracey - I don't see how this responds to Ted's question. It's fine to criticize Steven's recognition of or engagement with the community behind the practices he was researching, but that does not invalidate Ted's desire to know how this survey builds on, rather than duplicates existing work. Ted put in a lot of work into Canada's open data community and I think his desire to ensure that that community doesn't waste its time is great.

On the topic of the original email, Jury - thanks for sending us some more information about the group. I know that a several of us have been curious.

I would like to have a better idea about your organization. As an very involved member of one of the municipal groups as well as a provincial education and lobbying group I would like to know more about how you propose to achieve your goals of 1) lobbying and 2) educating. I'm not sure what the proposed open data hub (goal 3) would look like, but I'm interested in knowing more. And regarding the 4th goal (the community hub), I appreciate that you want to support the existing spaces of discussion (i.e. this list) instead of creating another space.

And mostly, I would like to know if and how you are planning on working with the existing community and specifically the groups who have been doing this work at local and provincial levels for 3+ years.

In terms of your previous involvement in this domain, I know that you have helped out multiple cities and you have have the respect of those groups, but beyond that I don't know much - such as about your preferred approach to dealing with all of the different stakeholders, nor do I know anything about your co-founders' experience in this space.

Before I, personally, support a national group which apparently has a mandate that is not only federal, and before I would encourage my local municipal or provincial lobbying groups to engage with that group, I would want to hear more.

I know that you are not yet asking for my or our support, and I imagine that you are conducting this survey to plan your activities, however, your group does now exist and I would like to be able to have an informed opinion about it.

Thanks,

Mike



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:57 PM, Tracey P. Lauriault <<a href="javascript:_e({}, &#39;cvml&#39;, &#39;tlauriau@gmail.com&#39;);" target="_blank">tlauriau@...> wrote:
Hey Ted,

In fairness, Steve did not necessarily disseminate his results widely, for instance many of us spent hours with him, read drafts, gave feedback and reviewed his survey before he released it, and we were not included on the dissemination of his final paper nor were groups, lists and blogs referenced in the final.  It is interesting how academic papers do not reference these resources but use them widely and liberally to shape ideas. This was the same in the case of recent master's thesis.

It is important that academics give back to the community whom they studied.  That is also part of the spirit of open data.  

I did not see Jury's survey, and hope it it is useful and hopefully there will be acknowledgements and references and that the data will be shared back.

cheers
T




On Thursday, September 19, 2013, Ted Strauss wrote:
Hi Jury,
A researcher named Steve Reitano completed a Canadian Open Data survey, and has posted
his results and the raw data here -- http://beautifuldata.ca/opendata/
Before asking the community to take another survey, could you explain how your approach
differs from the earlier survey, and/or give some commentary on Mr. Reitano's work.
It might turn out that
Regards,
Ted



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Jury Konga <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi fellow Open Data Enthusiasts,

 

Wanted to let you know about a new initiative called the Canadian Open Data Institute (CODI) that I’m a part of. The following website provides the early thinking about CODI’s focus areas: http://opendatainstitute.ca/

 

As people that are currently contributing to the community, we’d really appreciate your feedback on this survey (http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/85JS5FD ) and you can provide additional feedback on the main CODI blog and/or the two list servs we referenced.  Please provide feedback by September 30th.  Thanks for your participation and we’ll be back to you shortly with results.

 

Jury Konga, Co-founder

 


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